Thread: Reality

What is your take on reality?
To me it's a complex illusion, including time itself. A fractile reality comes to mind here.

-Marc

I am almost convinced that reality is just an individual interpretation of different signals that reaches the brain from the senses or that are generated in another part of the brain and interpreted as such.

The only part I do not understand is the perception of other people. If I think that this keyboard is real, then it is my perception and it could be just an illusion, right? But if my wife also thinks this keyboard is real, then it is our perception ? our illusion? or it is real because more than one person are seeing it? feeling it? or it is my wife also an illusion and therefore, you guys don't exist at all, only me? That is what it is driving me crazy!

It's called collective consciousness. We will be getting into the observer, and the observed. Schrödinger's cat anyone?

-BaC

Originally Posted by FreeCool

I am almost convinced that reality is just an individual interpretation of different signals that reaches the brain from the senses or that are generated in another part of the brain and interpreted as such.

The only part I do not understand is the perception of other people. If I think that this keyboard is real, then it is my perception and it could be just an illusion, right? But if my wife also thinks this keyboard is real, then it is our perception ? our illusion? or it is real because more than one person are seeing it? feeling it? or it is my wife also an illusion and therefore, you guys don't exist at all, only me? That is what it is driving me crazy!

I believe that the entire universe is a fractile, fully-interconnected system of abstract creation. Space is rippled in the form of energy. Particles are snapshots of this energy. Language and consciousness builds systems of matter into larger units. Everything that exists, does so right now. Time is a result of the memory of each moment to the next. When I move my hand in a wave, you see a hand going back and forth. You see a systematic movement over time. However, at any one moment, there is only one hand in one position.
The keyboard is real because it exists. I touch it and use it. It interacts with myself as well as anyone else. A keyboard is not inherently real, but is real because we made it real. Humans build concepts and ideas. There used to be no such thing as a keyboard. We thought it up, designed it, affected the materials according to that design, etc. Now there is a keyboard. Not because the universe happened to generate a keyboard, but because someone made it so.
We imagine that there is some real world and ideas are just make believe. These things are not so different. Our ideas, through action, become existent. We are not blind pawns being tossed about by some galactic force. Rather, were are fully-integrated members of the whole. Members who by our very existence affect the entirety of the universe. We are active creators of our own existence.
A persons perception is unique unto themselves. I am like a boat in the middle of the water. I see a wide circle around me. This is the whole world that I see and how I see it. This perception is the basis for the way I move and interact in my world. The world outside of us is being created by the whole of the universe and by each minute member within it. We are affected by the ripples sent out by the rest of humanity and life in general. Likewise, we send out our own ripples of intention and reaction into the whole. In this way, the world is real, but so is perception. We create and our created by all of existence. Together we are manifesting this moment. And what we do now will create the next moment and so on

Well said It's truly a fractal reality

Originally Posted by arcshade

I believe that the entire universe is a fractile, fully-interconnected system of abstract creation. Space is rippled in the form of energy. Particles are snapshots of this energy. Language and consciousness builds systems of matter into larger units. Everything that exists, does so right now. Time is a result of the memory of each moment to the next. When I move my hand in a wave, you see a hand going back and forth. You see a systematic movement over time. However, at any one moment, there is only one hand in one position.
The keyboard is real because it exists. I touch it and use it. It interacts with myself as well as anyone else. A keyboard is not inherently real, but is real because we made it real. Humans build concepts and ideas. There used to be no such thing as a keyboard. We thought it up, designed it, affected the materials according to that design, etc. Now there is a keyboard. Not because the universe happened to generate a keyboard, but because someone made it so.
We imagine that there is some real world and ideas are just make believe. These things are not so different. Our ideas, through action, become existent. We are not blind pawns being tossed about by some galactic force. Rather, were are fully-integrated members of the whole. Members who by our very existence affect the entirety of the universe. We are active creators of our own existence.
A persons perception is unique unto themselves. I am like a boat in the middle of the water. I see a wide circle around me. This is the whole world that I see and how I see it. This perception is the basis for the way I move and interact in my world. The world outside of us is being created by the whole of the universe and by each minute member within it. We are affected by the ripples sent out by the rest of humanity and life in general. Likewise, we send out our own ripples of intention and reaction into the whole. In this way, the world is real, but so is perception. We create and our created by all of existence. Together we are manifesting this moment. And what we do now will create the next moment and so on

Well one thing that I believe is that telepathy does exist. That is a certain species began evolving in a certain way as a micro organism, this evolutionary standard was shifted from organism to organism as they became more complex.

We have evolved collectively in a similar way that is why we have preprogrammed instincts and responses. How we see the environment is a direct result of our evolutionary process. This is why the closer the species the more similar they see reality. As humans we are highly evolved so we have an understanding of what perceptions are, what associations in our mind are, animals do not have this grasp yet cuz they have not evolved in the way we have.

This is why you and your wife see the keyboard as a keyboard, you associate the typing associations, the mechanical association, the computer association and the many other associations with it (buttons, alphabet, QWERTY/DVORAK, the language, the color, the size, and what not) as you become more and more familiar with your current links.

The current links you have established are given to you mostly if not completely on a cause and effect basis, where you are placed in the timeline and society has a lot to do with how you think. You obviously would not associate the associations you have now with a keyboard if you were born in the 12th Century or were from a very poor area in Nigeria. You and your wife are very similar to each other in the sense that not only are you born in the same timeline and are found in a similar setting but you obviously have already influenced each other considering you spend your life together.

One thing that I have been questioning lately because of heavy psychedellic drug usage is whether or not the reaity that I concieve is created first in my mind and than represented by this actual reality or if there is this actual reality first and than I percieve it with my mind and senses.

Another thing that we must realize is that we are completely sensory objects, our entire body senses, whether it be with feelings or auditory or tastes or sight. The more intense the sensational ability the more concetrated ability there is in this organ. Our face contains the most sensory organs because of the fact that our brain is right there, or maybe the other way around? Likely to be that off the microrganism's that were created it was easier for evolution to create a shorter link to the direct sensory organs so thus the sensory organs were placed closer to the brain AKA the CPU.

I would definitely recommend, understand what perception, association, and awarness are. This is what the consciousness is, it's that system working together, if you would like me to further explain each criteria I would gladly do so. I have already wrote a ton of shit about this stuff and have been researching it for the last year of my life. Hope I helped. :]

Also EDIT: I've read arcShade's post and could not agree more, we are a cause and effect program all working together, the fact that a bunch of us believe that there is a keyboard will unconsciously make others believe that it is a keyboard and thus they will place the associations we have as theirs. This is what learning is in society, when we do not understand things we learn them from imitating the others around us. They do not necessarily have to be elders just what we believe, this is how telepathy is created without our understanding. It does not even have to be spoken or communicated for ideas to be shared, we see the world in a similar fashion because most humans and organisms see the world in a similar fashion right now. If all of us (every single organism) were to take tabs of LSD at high dosages at once we would never see this world the same.

I have thought about this as well. I am sure it's both of the below, why not have another paradox.

Along the lines of Schrödinger's cat, perception is that of reality, regardless what sensors we use. A wave of all available outcomes exist until you make it a reality. The choice collapses the waveform causing the outcome.

Then I was thinking, maybe we really have no choice, we just think we do.
To be honest what we see is not what is really going on in the big picture.

We could be cells in a much larger being, doing what cells do. However, in reality we see the illusion of something different.

Great topic!
-BaC

Originally Posted by GAY!

One thing that I have been questioning lately because of heavy psychedellic drug usage is whether or not the reaity that I concieve is created first in my mind and than represented by this actual reality or if there is this actual reality first and than I percieve it with my mind and senses.

Yeah exactly, a great analogy to use is cells in a human body. We take the illusion that we are people on Earth and that the Earth is a planet rotating around the sun because of gravity and what not. We take this in because this is what we understand.

However, the Earth may as well be a living being as well as the Sun and the other planets, we simply can't say.

Life is very difficult to define because it is so loosely coined. I would consider every single particle to be alive because every single particle is needed for this reality to exist. If a rock stopped existing for a second this would cause a huge shift in the reality we know. This would be done simply on the notion that the particles that made up the rock no longer communicated with the surrounding particles, thus a chain is broken in the series of communication between particles.

If this chain breaks than the fluidity of the Universe as we know it would cease to exist. Particles are constantly shifting, no one particle will ever stop moving, what is happening and this pretty much is the Universe right here.

One particle that is so tremendously small is shifting at an extremely high amount of energy that it creates the illusions of reality and other realities. However these are simply illusions created from the energy of its extreme vibratory patterns. When this happens, we get what are called waves and energy, we also get the phenomena found at extremely small states that is electrons.

Electrons move at a random scale according to quantum physics, well no...this isn't true. The electron is simply vibrating in such an intensity that it may seem to pop up at different places at the same time, but in all reality this only happens because of the energy to mass ratio. The more energy found in a smaller ration the more like the Universe it will be.

This is why black holes and dark matter are what I would consider keys to solving the Universe. When a Star explodes if it is big enough and had enough energy it will leave a black hole in it's death. This happens because of phenomena I have recently discovered on my own that I would refer to as 'Ego Death'. Ego Death occurs when the energy form, whether it be a star, a cat, a person, a planet, or a rock loses its ego completely or its identity. This happens at massive rates of energy loss or many other various reasons.

I would definitely like to get into more details with you guys about this, but I feel I'm ranting a bit excessively now and I have lost the point I was trying to make. XD

If you really would like to know more about my theories or what not, I can definitely write more about them for you. Haha.

Please see these resources for my take on reality:

The Geometric Pattern of Perception of the Moon

Watt Balance

Thanks for the links I already know about sacred geometry, I am a Freemason.

I will read them anyway, you can always learn something new, even if it's just a different perspective on the same subject.

Thanks again

Originally Posted by powerinthelines

Please see these resources for my take on reality:

The Geometric Pattern of Perception of the Moon

Watt Balance