Thread: Quantum Keyhole

The primary assumption of the Quantum Keyhole proposal is that there is no such thing as intelligence or free will. Books have been written on the subject, if you don’t see it then there is no case here. But in short, why aren’t committees smarter than individuals, why if intelligence is a thing is it not cumulative?

I would argue that what we describe as a feature of human beings is in fact a deficit. A bird doesn’t have to be taught how to build a nest. A colt can stand in minutes after birth, run in the first hour; it is a special baby that can walk in the first year. If intelligence is the ability to behave consistently in one’s best interest, human beings are least intelligent of all mammals. If a pig is supposed to be more intelligent than a squirrel, than a squirrel as smart as a pig should be a better squirrel, I think not. So the unique feature of human beings is that we are not pre-programmed, behave based solely on instinct, humans are born empty and must be loaded (educated/indoctrinated) with memes. But if the state of the world is not a product of human intelligence, why is it so complex, what is the overall trend?

I am not proposing that the bible is true, only that someone said what it says for a reason, a description of something observed, to introduce a meme; there is no blueprint there for my life. I am only pointing out that these and other texts may make more sense in the context of a universe that is evolving temporal-laterally. That some ultimate goal is advancing earlier in time from timeline to timeline, and that we are experiencing that compression and it gives an explanation to some unexplainable aspects of the civilization, 1) why hasn’t civilization collapsed to the Stone Age (repeatedly), why does civilization move perilously close to one abyss and then another abyss without falling in (not interrupting larger trends), and 2) if there are trends, what it the goal that these trends show consistent progress toward?

If it were up to me the goal would be to colonize the solar-system/galaxy, but that is not the trend we see. The trend is Moore’s Law (which has been a trend long before transistors). The trend is particle physics. The trend is definitely not peace or heaven on earth (unless heaven on earth is an earth where beings have control of time, can time travel into their own past). The LHC is only running at 50% of capacity, but that is not because they don't have to power or are afraid of what might happen. The limiting factor is computer processing capacity. LHC already has so much data recorded that at current computer processing capacity it will take years to analyze. But computers will catch up, the 'cloud' is coming to the rescue, potientially making all computers on the internet available.

There are many theories that describe the way things are in term of chance. If chance were the end of it; the goal, whatever it is would have manifested at some time, in some universe somewhere, goal accomplished/game over (at least from an eternal perspective). But chance only describes what is probable or nearly improbably. The impossible would require an external intervention. I agree that time travel is so nearly improbably as to be virtually impossible. But to travel into one’s past would be an external intervention into one’s own life, an intervention into the history of their world’s past.

This is by definition a circular argument; it could conceivably prove anything, so it can’t be a real theory. Its only value is as a proposed explanation, a story, a meme.

I am not arguing the truth or provability of any of these, only that they exist, as memes, to support a goal.

Of course it is a collection of nonsense, but it is not random nonsense.

I am suggesting that everything is a example, that selection (removing the vestigial) is apparent to a very fine granularity. But of course it is very hard to see what is missing, has been removed.

I am not arguing that Quantum Keyhole is a good thing, or that anyone needs to believe it, or support it, or fight it, just that this is the way it is and why it is the way it is.


But here are a few counter examples:

If intelligence life is identified anywhere else in the galaxy, then Quantum Keyhole fails, i.e. if it is all about a cosmic goal, it would be redundant/vestigial to do it twice.

If Moore's Law fails or slows, i.e. technology must be maximized over time if the point is the complete the cosmic goal soonest.

If Cern/LHC is idled or disabled. The EU is making a lot of cut backs. Cern is very very expensive, everyone may lose their pension, etc., but particle research will only accelerate. Even if WWIII starts, and war only accelerate technology, the LHC will never be targeted except to be replaced with something bigger.

A permanent base on the Moon or Mars, unless it is to build a bigger super collider. Space colonization is apparently vestigial.

Originally Posted by astromark

Quote;... 'Polygog'. . . . Evidence of the interference of time-travelers includes:
• Angelic and Apocalyptic Prophecies
• Popular End-Time themes not supported by scripture
• Multi-National Corporate Power Unchecked
• Exponential growth/adoption of new technologies
• Time-travel themes in popular media
• Themes of extraterrestrial visitors that are behaving as custodial – as if they have a vested interest.

Biblical Evidence
• Matthew 10:29 attest to the super fine granularity of the plan. “Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.”
• Revelation 3:16 attest to elimination of the vestigial, not the evil or unjust. “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”
• Revelation 21:1 after the advent of time-travel all the dead may be visited, risen, existence on Earth would be as if eternal. “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.” . . . . End Quote.

A unmitigated collection of utter nonsense... I am not going to go through this point by point other than to say

NOT ONE of those points above are found to be true... and any idiot that starts quoting biblical texts round here is asking for a whipping...

I first draw your attention to all of that material rejected by mainstream churches as not inspired by the holy spirit...

Very little research will quickly uncover much ... On the 'Internet' all things can be found supported.. True and False alike.

The very idea of time travel or time travelling is so far up the Woo woo river I can not go there...

One example. Thats not a lot to ask... can you do that ?

Thank you TaoZero5,

That is just the point - I am proposing that we exist, as things are, only because there is time-travel. Of course it can not be proved - only demonstrated.

Love your link, particularly:
Part Three
The Space of All Possibilities
Discover the Shape of All Possibilities and Why the Universe is Evolving. Time isn't Moving Toward Disorder, the Universe has a Hidden Goal.

Add time-travel into the past and it changes from Infinite Possibilities to Infinite Impossibilities. Either way, begging the question, why are we in this Universe and not another?

Originally Posted by TaoZero5

I love to theorise, to imagine, but to draw conclusions requires a very sharp pencil - and sometimes a rubber.

I think time travel (in the Keyhole) refers to the arrow of time rather than to H G Wells type tourism - but it's not necessarily impossible just because we see (from what we know) that it's not. If there are no time-travellers here/now it's probably just because we are about to become extinct rather than because it's not possible.

As for free will, regardless of whether there is is there isn't, the important thing is the experience of free will and what we do with the sense of responsibility that comes with it.

I think this - Everything Forever: Learning to See the Timeless Multiverse - is non-woo-woo.

I don't like the term woo-woo!!

Originally Posted by Polygog

Either way, begging the question, why are we in this Universe and not another?

We are in this one because we're not in any of the others.

Originally Posted by mugaliens

We are in this one because we're not in any of the others.

Fine, so what are the defining features of this universe?

There are many interesting features. Consistent long term growth trumps the significance of features with lesser growth. Moore's Law, super colliders and oil production have demonstrated exponential growth without limit for generations. Moore's Law has had the more consistent growth. What does that tell us about this universe?

I can only suggest that Moore’s Law isn’t merely chance, that its significance will only increase, continue, uninterrupted for several more generations. For it to be more than chance, would require an external intervention. An external intervention implies intent, a goal. In comparison to the manifestation/expansion of life on earth, that is generally accepted to be a product of chance. Life has been very halting, retraction are the hall mark of a random process. Moore’s Law has had no retractions or suspension or interruptions, making it difficult to explain through change.

So I am attempting a proof by contradiction, i.e. assume Moore's Law is not a random outcome and then reduce to absurdity (or not).

Originally Posted by Polygog

Fine, so what are the defining features of this universe?

...

Moore’s Law isn’t....

Moore's law isn't a defining feature of our universe. It's a (so far) relatively steady logarithmic increase in in computer processing power.

Life has been very halting, retraction are the hall mark of a random process. Moore’s Law has had no retractions or suspension or interruptions, making it difficult to explain through change.

The growth of life over short time frames is very similar to Moore's Law. The latter, however, has only been in place for about four decades, whereas the cycles of life, particularly waxing and waning periods, have been measured in centuries and millennia. Even so, life quickly fills its container (a few years to a few millennia) and it waxes and wanes with respect to its environment.

So I am attempting a proof by contradiction, i.e. assume Moore's Law is not a random outcome and then reduce to absurdity (or not).

Moore's law has been good, but not perfect. It's already in need of revision.

Regardless of what you label it. Progress, change, Moores law, or just good luck.. Here we are. ( looking around to check.)

Despite the seemingly racing away discovery of exo solar planets and the planetary disks we still remain unaware of any life any place else..

But surly the temptation to suggest a ever higher probability of confirmation is not to far away from the truth we seek.

Having just been exposed to a one view doco from the religious fraternity I am more than willing to use the words Woo Woo.. So do not be offended.

I am not name calling any one here.. Here I do not see that extreme narrow view of Intelligent Design..

As pro ported by the group of whom I have been exposed to.. Who are also running about planning the end of humanity this year..

That a quantum Keyhole event triggered the Beginning of the great expansion is as foreign a idea as to be a fact wasted. On them.

I would NOT expect to here them admit to a error of judgment. I am a little bothered by that school of thinking.

Originally Posted by mugaliens

Moore's law isn't a defining feature of our universe. It's a (so far) relatively steady logarithmic increase in in computer processing power.

Exponential, not logarithmic.[/quote]

My bad!

It *is* a defining feature of our economy though, and it looks like it is starting to slow.

This is the sort of thing I'd like to hear more about. Can you enlighten us?

As you observed, Moore's Law is exponential, and if it is a significantly greater rate of acceleration than anything else it is by definition defining even if its effect is only slightly more than zero. But to be clear I am referring to more than the number transistors on a centimeter of substrate. I am assessing the number transistor globally (on the planet), and that number is increasing at an exponential rate that is significantly greater than anything else. But to my point it is in my opinion that the rate reflects a maximum curve, with few if any setbacks. And that in my opinion the existence of a maximum curve implies an external pressure, like an object accelerating due to gravity in a vacuum.

Originally Posted by mugaliens

Moore's law isn't a defining feature of our universe. It's a (so far) relatively steady logarithmic increase in in computer processing power.



The growth of life over short time frames is very similar to Moore's Law. The latter, however, has only been in place for about four decades, whereas the cycles of life, particularly waxing and waning periods, have been measured in centuries and millennia. Even so, life quickly fills its container (a few years to a few millennia) and it waxes and wanes with respect to its environment.



Moore's law has been good, but not perfect. It's already in need of revision.

If it were just one event (at the Beginning), it would be have little relavence now, but there are many many unlikely events that all significately contribute to the exponential growth in the number of transistors on the planet.

Originally Posted by astromark

Regardless of what you label it. Progress, change, Moores law, or just good luck.. Here we are. ( looking around to check.)

Despite the seemingly racing away discovery of exo solar planets and the planetary disks we still remain unaware of any life any place else..

But surly the temptation to suggest a ever higher probability of confirmation is not to far away from the truth we seek.

Having just been exposed to a one view doco from the religious fraternity I am more than willing to use the words Woo Woo.. So do not be offended.

I am not name calling any one here.. Here I do not see that extreme narrow view of Intelligent Design..

As pro ported by the group of whom I have been exposed to.. Who are also running about planning the end of humanity this year..

That a quantum Keyhole event triggered the Beginning of the great expansion is as foreign a idea as to be a fact wasted. On them.

I would NOT expect to here them admit to a error of judgment. I am a little bothered by that school of thinking.