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    All things ( living or non-living ) are existing between 2 endless extremities .

    1 - endless largeness ( Endlessness of the universe ) .

    2 - endless smallness ( Splitting a particle . 1÷2 , 1÷4 , 1÷8 , ........... 1÷∞ .
    Splitting process is endless , never reaching the so-called zero that is artificial and exists only in notion . If you think there is nothing at all , it's just that your technology is not yet developed enough . Like we had thought the particles
    were the smallest until sub-particles were found . )

    So the range of space can be from 1/∞ to ∞ .

    In the Big Bang theory , it is asserted that the universe was born out of the singularity . But they are not able to specify the size of the singularity and they will never be bcos smallness is endless .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    All things ( living or non-living ) are existing between 2 endless extremities .
    This is an assertion, but not necessarily a scientific one.
    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    In the Big Bang theory , it is asserted that the universe was born out of the singularity . But they are not able to specify the size of the singularity and they will never be bcos smallness is endless .
    Right off the bat, the Lambda CDM model (Or Big Bang Theory) does not make that claim.
    It does not deal with a singularity. The Big Bang model deals with the development and evolution of spacetime from a certain point in time forward to the present but it does not deal with the physical creation of the Universe.
    Here's why:
    --We cannot test whether or not the universe came from something; If you imagine a bubble being pushed from one plane into another, there would appear to be nothing, then a point, then a surface, then a bubble expanding outwards. No singularity is needed to explain this.
    --We cannot test what existence there was prior to the Big Bang.
    --We cannot test what caused the Big Bang
    It is for these reasons that the Big Bang does not deal with the Birth of the Cosmos. It appears to infer it, but that is all it does. Because we simply do not know.
    And in science, it is ok to admit that you don't know something without feeling the need to just make something up or speculate wildly to fill that gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    In the Big Bang theory , it is asserted that the universe was born out of the singularity . …………
    This is an assertion, but not necessarily a scientific one.

    Right off the bat, the Lambda CDM model (Or Big Bang Theory) does not make that claim.
    It does not deal with a singularity.
    Neverfly .. In your opinion, Bigbang is not singularity, then it is what…? What do you call that lump of mass with almost infinite density… Is it a Blackhole? Example as in LIGO…?

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    Neverfly .. In your opinion, Bigbang is not singularity, then it is what…? What do you call that lump of mass with almost infinite density… Is it a Blackhole? Example as in LIGO…?
    My 'opinions' are not really relevant but if you would like to go over what the Lambda CDM model states, we can do that.
    It does NOT state that there was a "Lump of mass with almost infinite density."
    It does NOT state that the Early Universe was some kind of a black hole, either.
    In fact, the Lambda CDM model does NOT state how the Universe was created. It deals only with what happened immediately after.
    You often argue from the position of, "Science contradicts my beliefs, therefore I reject scientific evidence." That being the case, I am not surprised that your assertions about BBT are less than accurate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    In fact, the Lambda CDM model does NOT state how the Universe was created. It deals only with what happened immediately after................
    So how it got such energy and force to push all the Galaxies to present positions for almost 14 billion years...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    You often argue from the position of, "Science contradicts my beliefs, therefore I reject scientific evidence." That being the case, I am not surprised that your assertions about BBT are less than accurate...
    What do you know about me?

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    So how it got such energy and force to push all the Galaxies to present positions for almost 14 billion years...?
    That part is called inflation. Even here thare is no singularity, according to this theory there was a small amount of something consisting of negative energy.
    This something had the remarkable characteristics of keeping it's energy density even when the volume changed. At one time it went through a phase shift
    and started to expand. Then again at some other point it went through another phase shift and the expansion stopped.
    At that time it had collected so much negative energy so to keep the balance, an equal amount of positive energy in form of matter was condensed.
    This is now all the matter in the universe.

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    What do you know about me?
    Only several years of posting history and the many comments and claims you have made. I have no real judgment or knowledge of "you" so much as what you have shown and indicated in posts.
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    So how it got such energy and force to push all the Galaxies to present positions for almost 14 billion years...?
    Asking how the Universe "got" anything is a question asking of Creation.
    The energy involved is the same energy as what is still in the Universe, today. This is one reason why cosmologists dislike the comparison of 'the expansion of the Universe' to 'an Explosion.' An explosion dissipates energy. The inflation of the Universe did not dissipate energy. The energy converted into something else and remained in the system.
    And your question relates: You ask how it had the energy to push the galaxies... The expansion event did not push any galaxies, any stars, any planets - there Were None of those at that time. Those forms of matter are what came after the expansion event as energy was converted into Mass. That mass developed into proto matter, that developed into gaseous clouds, that coalesced into stars and so on.

    Prior to that, the Universe existed in a superstate of energy that we cannot describe now and maybe we never will be able to describe it. There are some things that even using the Scientific Method in rigorous investigation cannot answer. This is because the physics of the Universe that we understand today was radically different back then. The physics we understand today had not yet developed. We have no means of testing and measuring what physical laws were at work at that time, before the development of Mass and Energy into the forms we know them today out of that superstate. Perhaps, an advanced intelligence could deduce it... But we are not that advanced; we do not have the means to investigate the creation of the universe or how to define time without using the properties of SpaceTime that developed after the Big Bang.
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    Just like space is endless in both directions , towards the largeness or towards the smallness ,
    time is also endless in both directions , forwards or backwards .

    space means all things ( from infinitesimal particles to mega galaxies ) collectively .
    In other words , space is made up of those things .

    space is so infinitely large , it is measureless , limitless and shapeless .

    Only individual galaxies are coming into existence or coming to an end at any moment
    but space never came into existence and will never come to an end .
    It's just permanent .
    That means time is endless in the past and in the future .

    When it comes to the Universe that is absolutely infinite , there is no inside or outside or within or beyond the Universe and no center or edge of the Universe .
    Things are simply existing temporarily among other things .

    The Universe is beginningless and endless .
    Only things are transforming from one thing into another .

    So the Big Bang may be just the beginning of an infinitesimal part of the Universe .........
    Last edited by MinnYair KyawZwar; 08-16-2016 at 03:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    Just like space is endless in both directions , towards the largeness or towards the smallness ,
    time is also endless in both directions , forwards or backwards .
    Unsupported assumption. Speculating is fine, but putting forth speculation as 'fact' without testing or observing is not Science.

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    space means all things ( from infinitesimal particles to mega galaxies ) collectively .
    In other words , space is made up of those things .
    The Universe means all those things, but not necessarily space.

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    space is so infinitely large , it is measureless , limitless and shapeless .
    Unsupported assumption. Contradicts observed evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    Only individual galaxies are coming into existence or coming to an end at any moment
    but space never came into existence and will never come to an end .
    It's just permanent .
    That means time is endless in the past and in the future .
    Post hoc ergo propter hoc
    You put forth unsupported assumptions and then use those assumptions as support for your next assumption.

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    When it comes to the Universe that is absolutely infinite ,
    Science does not deal in Absolutes.
    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    there is no inside or outside or within or beyond the Universe and no center or edge of the Universe .
    Things are simply existing temporarily among other things .
    Are you going to give a citation or provide observational evidence at any point?

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    The Universe is beginningless and endless .
    Only things are transforming from one thing into another .
    Or... are you writing a bible of some kind? Should we assign chapter and verse numbers to these quotes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnYair KyawZwar View Post
    So the Big Bang may be just the beginning of an infinitesimal part of the Universe .........
    It may be... that is unknown. But none of that provides any kind of rebuttal against a very sound and solid model (Theory) of our earliest state of the Universe.
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