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    Default Lies from LIGO

    Many people are worried about Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO)
    ... It detected a single gravitational disturbance from distant two blackholes collapse... Our universe is a place where there no blackholes...

    The Lies from LIGO | The Principle

    Lets discuss our opinions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by snp.gupta View Post
    Many people are worried about Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO)
    Citation? How many? What are their qualifications? What are their supposed concerns?
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    Our universe is a place where there no blackholes...
    Support for this claim?
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    Lets discuss our opinions....
    By "discussion" do you mean, "agree?"
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    Default Re: Lies from LIGO

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Citation? How many? What are their qualifications? What are their supposed concerns?
    Gravitational waves from two Blackholes collision Falsified by Stephen J. Crothers



    Conclusion by Stephen Crothers:

    LIGO did not detect Einstein gravitational waves or black holes. Black holes and Einstein's gravitational waves do not exist; they are not even consistent with General Relativity. The LIGO instability has been interpreted as gravitational waves produced by two merging black holes by a combination of theoretical fallacies, wishful thinking, and conformational bias. Black holes are products entire of violations of the rules of pure mathematics. General Relativity is riddled with logical inconsistencies, invalid mathematics, and impossible physics. The General Theory of Relativity cannot satisfy the usual conservation of energy and momentum for a closed system and is thereby in conflict with a vast array of experiments, rendering it untenable at a fundamental level. LIGO is reported to have so far cost taxpayers $1.1 billion [48]. Just as with the Large Hadron collider at CERN, such large sums of public money demand justification by eventually finding what they said they would.

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    Default Re: Lies from LIGO

    One can search Internet for Stephen J Crothers and his Paper Lies from ligo

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    Quote Originally Posted by snp.gupta View Post
    One can search Internet for Stephen J Crothers and his Paper Lies from ligo
    I can search the internet for Sylvia Browne and her nonsense, too.
    Do_You_have_Evidence?

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    Gravitational waves from two Blackholes collision Falsified by Stephen J. Crothers



    Conclusion by Stephen Crothers:

    LIGO did not detect Einstein gravitational waves or black holes. Black holes and Einstein's gravitational waves do not exist; they are not even consistent with General Relativity. The LIGO instability has been interpreted as gravitational waves produced by two merging black holes by a combination of theoretical fallacies, wishful thinking, and conformational bias. Black holes are products entire of violations of the rules of pure mathematics. General Relativity is riddled with logical inconsistencies, invalid mathematics, and impossible physics. The General Theory of Relativity cannot satisfy the usual conservation of energy and momentum for a closed system and is thereby in conflict with a vast array of experiments, rendering it untenable at a fundamental level. LIGO is reported to have so far cost taxpayers $1.1 billion [48]. Just as with the Large Hadron collider at CERN, such large sums of public money demand justification by eventually finding what they said they would.
    So Crothers claims- but provides Zero Support for his claims. As a crank, Crothers hopes to make it appear as though he is smarter than the average bear using deceit, rather than successful scientific postulates.

    Crothers is a handy-man, not a scientist.
    He holds no degrees in the field and has no practical education or qualifications in the field. The only degree Crothers holds is a fake Honorary degree given to him by his friend, that created a "Mail Order Degree" school that is unaccredited, just for that purpose.
    Instead, Crothers is an advocate for Perpetual Motion Machines which have been debunked for as much time as we have a written record. He advocates a great deal of Pseudoscience that is in direct contradiction with the large bodies of evidence out there.
    Crothers is a "conspiracist" that claims an illuminati-like conspiracy is active in academia to suppress knowledge.
    Crothers is nothing more than a Crank and a Crackpot that has no educational knowledge of the field and no qualifications, yet blames his failures on others. He claims that scientists globally have somehow conspired to lie in order to keep HIM down.
    Clearly, the man is quite insane.
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    Default Re: Lies from LIGO

    Did you read his paper..? How about his derivations...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snp.gupta View Post
    Did you read his paper..? How about his derivations...?
    A few things... A "paper" in the Scientific sense is an essay written following the scientific method for showing a hypothesis, observational evidence and support and a conclusion.
    That essay is Peer Reviewed for accuracy, errors, erroneous assumptions and the like after submission. The corrections are sent to the author and they have as many chances as they need to correct and submit the paper, again.
    Crothers has never authored an accepted peer reviewed paper. Not Once.
    I cannot read his "paper" because there are none.
    Now... I could write an essay, claim it is a paper, and have the topic of Irish Fairies. It still would be bunk, no matter how much bandwidth it took up.
    Crothers has uplaoded articles on viXra- a well known fraudulent website that mimics arXiv. viXra is not a peer reviewed journal. It is, in fact, a conspiracy website disguised as a legitimate site in order to deceive.
    The article in question can be found here: http://vixra.org/pdf/1603.0127v4.pdf

    In that article, Crothers makes so many errors, they are hard to list. Mathematically, it is akin building a house with timber, trees, lego blocks, car parts and sliced bread. Simply put - using the wrong stuff in place of what you are supposed to use for a successful outcome.
    For example, you could not successfully describe Minkowski spacetime using Pythagorean geometry.
    This is exactly what Crothers does, misapplying equations and using the wrong formulas and then leaping to conclusions from the result. He cherry-picks what he believes will support his preconceptions regardless of the actual mathematical applications which he ignores. He misuses equations, formulas, coordinate systems and wraps them neatly into far-fetched conclusions.
    His numerous misconceptions run rampant and unchecked. From thinking that G.R. forbids Black Holes (G.R. in fact, predicts Black holes and allows for Wormholes but does not predict them) to claiming that Black Holes cannot form because he claims an infinite amount of time would be required to form one.
    It gets worse...
    Crothers likes to misuse old information and archived papers. For example, he claims that the Schwarzschild solution does not predict black holes and that the Schwarzschild metric is a corruption of the work of Johannes Droste. He claims that Droste was suppressed by the Scientific elite to silence him and keep "the truth" from being known.
    This is an excellent example of Crothers data-mining to find what he needs to present his conspiracist claims. Ignoring the wealth of decades of study and literally thousands of valid peer-reviewed journal submissions, he targets unfinished work from a century ago. He then claims that work was actually suppressed knowledge... nevermind that he was able to easily pull up copies on the internet that people have moved to digital format for the archives...
    Crothers clearly has a dishonest agenda. A person cannot dismiss him as a fool... a fool would stumble onto valid solutions once and a while and present them. But Crothers is very careful to shy away from and deny anything that would show the flaws in his claims.
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