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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    The life form can be manufactured by unskilled labor.
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    You may need to differentiate between animal life forms and plant life forms.

    The difference between animal lifeforms and computers is the ability to learn. Animal life forms learn through experiences and abstract interpretations of stimuli. Computers simply have new programming put into their system either directly by a programmer or by way of downloading and installing new code. Animal life forms rarely unlearn something unless there is serious damage to the brain but computers can unlearn just by having a program removed or changed dramatically, without any physical damage taking place and it would still be considered to be working within normal parameters.

    AI may have more in common with plant life. The evolutionary programming in a plant is very simple and can be replicated into computers or robots quite easily. They would never be identical but they could have a strong superficial resemblance.
    Your point about the difference between plants and animals is, in my opinion only a cosmetic one. In the early 20th century, plants were considered to be biological entities that don't move and use chlorophyll to metabolize CO2 and sunlight into O2 and sugars, as opposed to animals, which do move and use hemoglobin to do the reverse metabolism. However, protists such as eugelena, which move and do plant-like metabolism, posed a problem. Today the classifications are based on DNA and the divisions are clearer.

    In the end it might be helpful to consider Alan Turing's AI test: If you sat at a terminal connected with another terminal with which something/someone is communicating and you could ask/command anything across this arrangement and you could not tell whether you are communicating with a computer or human, then the computer at the other end is said to be artificially intelligent.

    The bottom line is that such a computer would be (externally) indistinguishable from a human. As such I can think of a question we should be asking: what if the AI computer would want the right to vote (in political elections)?
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    I am not qualified to comment with ANY authority.. I do not have a fine understanding of neurological machanics..

    I have worked with off shore sea floor mapping and extensive echo sounding and density of sea bed rock structures..

    All of which involved 'Teaching' a computer to paint that what we could not see..

    and it was done by programing and programing some more.. Modification of the data stream and input speeds all played party to getting results.. and that it was work only a computer could do..

    Thousands of bits of data streamed and sorted and a working understanding of rock stratas was established..

    No human mind could do this in a lifetime.

    We might not yet be at a point where computers build better computers but I have firm experience that the day is sneaking up on you.. soon. Are they intelligent.. Oh yes.

    As I retired from that work only a few years ago. I have seen some very fine equipment being developed right now..

    By robots driven by computers. Drones that can go where people can not. Seven thousand feet down... and see and learn.

    We have already built clever machines. Do not look away.. for too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    By robots driven by computers. Drones that can go where people can not. Seven thousand feet down... and see and learn.

    We have already built clever machines. Do not look away.. for too long.
    With military funding I expect we'll see rapid development now.

    So much for Asimov"s three laws. Not only are they not prohibited from harming humans they are designed for that purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    With military funding...
    Funding in the military department are suffering rampant cuts. So, if any progress is to be made, it'll have to be from another source.

    So much for Asimov"s three laws. Not only are they not prohibited from harming humans they are designed for that purpose.
    The goal of any military is to defeat the enemy. That's often accomplished by taking out their infrastructure, including logistics and communications i.e. their ability to wage war.

    When the enemy figures out a way to wage war anyway, the only way to stop the enemy is to kill them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    Funding in the military department are suffering rampant cuts. So, if any progress is to be made, it'll have to be from another source.
    Well in spite of cuts they seem to be prioritizing their development of their flying robot assassins.

    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    The goal of any military is to defeat the enemy. That's often accomplished by taking out their infrastructure, including logistics and communications i.e. their ability to wage war.

    When the enemy figures out a way to wage war anyway, the only way to stop the enemy is to kill them.
    Well we certainly understand the priorities and values of the military. They follow orders to kill, right or wrong. That's why we resist letting them set our priorities and values. We don't let them use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. We don't like it when people order them to do so. We know they'll do it right or wrong. Maybe we're going to outlaw robot weapons too. While there is a remote possibility that a human military might refuse illegal orders there is no such possibility with robots. We don't want flying robot assasins the size of ants with lethal poison manufactured by the millions controled by one man with his finger on a button. Even if we hope he'll only use it on "the enemy". We don't like individuals to have that much power to decide who "the enemy" is.
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    ~ That the only way to stop the enemy is to kill them is so very wrong. It's stupid. Which is not suggesting you are.
    You are obviously not.
    Diplomacy, Negotiation, Education, and détente.. work. That funding issue is real enough but as 'astrotech' said They seem to find enough for some very high tech stuff.. don't they?
    I have also noted that war fair is the driving force of much progress. It's not good for the losing team is it ?
    But they do not tend to write history do they ?

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    As everything is based on 1 and o, I dont think they can make such complicated decisions!

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