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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    Well we certainly understand the priorities and values of the military. They follow orders to kill, right or wrong. That's why we resist letting them set our priorities and values. We don't let them use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. We don't like it when people order them to do so. We know they'll do it right or wrong.
    Having spent twenty years in the military, I know you're not right, but wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    Having spent twenty years in the military, I know you're not right, but wrong.
    You frequently don't know the differance. When you do you don't care. OT but all about you again. As usual. Knee jerk reactionary. Or just plain jerk.
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    The question was; What is the difference between an intelligent computer and a life form ?
    ~ The human mind is a very complex structure and no two work the same. The infant brain develops as it needs to.
    Constantly adapting and changing to match the ever changing world it is growing up in.. developing skills as required of it and according to the preconceived perimeters.. We are not at that level of computer building yet.. We develop and program. I have some knowledge of a self amending formatting design tools and the PC I was shown was itself modifying it's own program. I can extrapolate that from this area of technical advancements we may have already reached a component replacement ability.. But you ask of the difference ? The life form is with training a sentient being.
    The computer is a tool.. but the difference is getting foggy.. After all I know of some who are as sheeple.. while some computers are able to evaluate knew information very quickly.. and make evaluations of considerable complexity..
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    Suppose computers get more intelligent than humans. That would be a difference.

    As we study the way human minds work and the way we can make computers work there seems to be a convergence in understanding both. When we understand both we'll be able to use both as one. That may be when computers reach their limit but it may not. Then computers will get "more intelligent than a lifeform".

    It's been said that if you can talk to a computer and not tell if it's a human or computer then it has intelligence. But what if it has more than human intelligence? How would you tell if it has more intelligence than you? Its intelligence may be of a different kind that is not understandable or even definable by an unenhanced human. If you could tell the difference because it is "more intelligent" is it then unintelligent? Is it something else?
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    ~ It most certainly is something else.. I like your thinking that being able to communicate would be a form of intelligence.

    I think a examination of what we think intelligence is , is required. Having a wealth of knowledge, experience, and the ability to communicate does not measure intelligence.. Drawing conclusions of well reasoned logic, Drawing on many angles of view. Being able to draw conclusions of decision making process. I am not so sure I am intelligent enough to judge what intelligence really is..
    and in a sea of confusion I wave to the computer and demand it make up my mind for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    I am not so sure I am intelligent enough to judge what intelligence really is.
    You're not the only one. Precisely defining intelligence and even life have been unresolved philosophical questions for centuries. Here's a topic that involves both.
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    ~ I remember once arguing with a 'Mensa' proponent that the IQ test was rubbish. I tried to tell him that a Jungle dwelling tribesman might just be brighter than him and I as he could fend for himself, hunt, live, and be happy better than most of us, so called clever clogs people... what measure of intelligence is a IQ test.. bugger all I decided..
    The ability to communicate a thought process or idea might be important to me.. but is it intelligence..
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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    You frequently don't know the differance. When you do you don't care. OT but all about you again. As usual. Knee jerk reactionary. Or just plain jerk.
    Ok, let's follow the logic (actually, illogic) of what lead up to astrotech's comment:

    He said: "Well we certainly understand the priorities and values of the military. They follow orders to kill, right or wrong."

    I said, "Having spent twenty years in the military, I know you're not right, but wrong."

    He shot back,"You frequently don't know the differance. When you do you don't care. OT but all about you again. As usual. Knee jerk reactionary. Or just plain jerk."

    Now, to the best of my knowledge, astrotech hasn't spent Day 1 in the military. Thus, his experience is probably limited to fiction, as in TV shows and movies which depict the military in a negative light. He might even think there are elements of truth to Hollywood, simply because he has no first-hand experience against which to compare them. Or perhaps he spends his time on conspiracy theory websites, filling his head with cardboard.

    For all I know, he did spend time in the military, and either screwed up royally, was given the boot, and tries to get back at the military every chance he gets, or he has so many screws loose they never let him into the military in the first place. Perhaps he just has a few loose screws and spends enough time on conspiracy theory websites and watching Hollywood fiction that he thinks he knows something about the military when in reality he doesn't have the slightest freaking clue. Or it could be he's been drinking since he woke up, and by 3:58 pm he's so far gone into blackout he hasn't a clue as to what he's saying. After all, his response wasn't exactly in lockstep with my statement. In fact, it's barely in the same ball park.

    All this is, of course, sheer conjecture. Whatever scenario results in him saying things like "...we certainly understand the priorities and values of the military. They follow orders to kill, right or wrong," the fact of the matter remains: His statement is pure bullshit. His "they follow orders to kill, right or wrong," comment is prima facia evidence he most certainly does not understand either the priorities or values of the military. I know this to be true because I was in the military, for twenty years. I was by no means the most highly decorated officer. I'd say about average for my rank and time in the service at my retirement:



    The point is, as a career military veteran, I know full well astrotech is talking out of his ass. Everyone else who's spent time in the service knows it, too. Ever ROE I've ever read spells out the rules of engagement in very clear and certain terms, and all members of the military are required to memorize it while in theater, and are held to exacting standards in terms of following them. Violations are swiftly and severely prosecuted. Hundreds of soldiers who violated the ROE are sitting in prison, with terms ranging from a few years to life.

    Since astrotech keeps raising the issue, however, he's not merely wrong. He's also stupid. I wonder how much more stupid he'll get before he either quits or someone else tells him to shut his hole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    ~ I remember once arguing with a 'Mensa' proponent that the IQ test was rubbish. I tried to tell him that a Jungle dwelling tribesman might just be brighter than him and I as he could fend for himself, hunt, live, and be happy better than most of us, so called clever clogs people... what measure of intelligence is a IQ test.. bugger all I decided..
    The ability to communicate a thought process or idea might be important to me.. but is it intelligence..
    Most animals communicate in at least one form or another, usually via multiple forms. For bees and ants, it's visual and chemical. We humans use both, as well, although the chemical is below our cognitive threshold. We also use aural and touch. In fact, language is dependent upon the medium, but independent of it. We can speak, or write/type. Doesn't matter, as the message gets through.

    As Qui-gon Jin said about Jar-Jar Binks: "The ability to speak does not make one intelligent."
    Last edited by mugaliens; 09-12-2013 at 05:44 PM.
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