Well I am open for anyone to finish their conversations over here ... a few times when I knew a thread was going down a bad baut route ... I would just post over there ... if you want we can discusss this point further on http://www.spacetimeandtheuniverse.com .
I am not sure I want to give too much attention to bashing baut ... I have my faults with baut but not sure if bashing them on here will help the situation there as they already know what they want and it wont help much here.
Please feel free to discuss things on here that you werent able to discuss over on baut.