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    Well, I do agree with that, except when someone has continued ignorant or irrelevant responses to the technical questions involved (e.g., not providing content or links for critiques, but just making loud noises and unfounded judgements.) For example, I posted my perspective on Fermat's Theorem, and have no doubt that it has been considered before, but if it is wrong I would like a response to content (like mathnerd) and not like emporerzelos, or 7777777 who are wastes of time and rather unpleasant to boot (John Gabriel at least had an interesting gap in his perspective) .... But, ok, that is a personal judgement, so I guess I can handle the issue here and at my first post in the thread, and after that let the reader judge for themselves.....

    That said - 'nuff said:

    For those who have read this far - nuff said, read my first post to track those I consider incompetent, unpleasant, or both in my threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    Well, I do agree with that, except when someone has continued ignorant or irrelevant responses to the technical questions involved (e.g., not providing content or links for critiques, but just making loud noises and unfounded judgements.) For example, I posted my perspective on Fermat's Theorem, and have no doubt that it has been considered before, but if it is wrong I would like a response to content (like mathnerd) and not like emporerzelos, or 7777777 who are wastes of time and rather unpleasant to boot (John Gabriel at least had an interesting gap in his perspective) .... But, ok, that is a personal judgement, so I guess I can handle the issue here and at my first post in the thread, and after that let the reader judge for themselves.....

    That said - 'nuff said:

    For those who have read this far - nuff said, read my first post to track those I consider incompetent, unpleasant, or both in my threads.
    This is the chief complaint of most people that use forums like these. There are those that post distracting nonsense.
    There are those that use tactics instead of knowledge and clear communication to achieve the upper hand in debate and discussion.
    There are those who resort to personal attacks to get their point across.
    Beneath it all, that capacity is in all of us. While exerting self control is a good thing, often a person will feel less of themselves if they cannot express themselves. Even if it is unpleasant. You gotta get it out.
    For that purpose, this forum has the Cage Match.

    Is it easier to turn to a Moderator, the internet police force, to request the offensive poster be arrested in their activities? Is it easier to ban discussion? To Silence those that have too much voice for your ears?

    It is a slippery slope. Once it is justified to silence, to ban, to bar discussion; once controls are enforced, it is too easy to justify taking even more. Taking more control. Taking more freedom.
    A great deal of fluff can be ignored or if the poster wants, they can take it to Cage Match and tell 'em how they really feel.
    Moderation should be janitorial, not police enforcement.
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    Well, I think that is a good point. The issue is that here we all come from widely differing backgrounds from many different disciplines, so cutting slack to posters who may be unaware of missing chunks of information in their backgrounds is very important. Google and Wikipedia is a great sources, but they don't tell you everything; but the articles in Wiki are refereed and usually very good, and links can be quoted.

    In my own experience, I wasn't getting the answers I needed from professors in a timely manner, and UC became very expensive after Reagan - luckily in my later years I had employment at a couple of prominent think tanks where they allowed me to do a lot of self study. But even then, the books were expensive - I used to go to the UCSB bookstore and buy every textbook they had on physics and math, but it was a scattered experience to wade through all the different perspectives and models and sift out the ones that were germane to the issues in which I was actually interested (the philosophical foundations of knowledge - and its relation to physics and math). I remember Dr. Robert Eisberg (Physics Professor Emeritus at UCSB), a good friend and one of my professors (He wrote Principles of Modern Physics, used as a textbook for decades at the undergraduate level) telling me the questions I was asking him were beyond his experience... stunning to me, since he was absolutely brilliant in the areas with which he was familiar (experimental physics). I now understand why, and it gave me valuable insight when I re-read his book recently, some 50 years later.

    In my interaction with John, I was genuinely trying to figure out where he had gone wrong, since he was honest in his quest to try to present the result of his own search for truth. As time went on, I realized that he hadn't had an education in analytic geometry, and so didn't understand the foundation (and the reason for) calculus - as a linear model of rate of change by eliminating curvature. This is actually a deep problem in theoretical physics, since it involves c as the basis of our observation, and thus extrapolation to the universe. And it was very worthwhile, since it forced me to examine my own presuppositions w.r.t. foundations of mathematics (and the different perspectives of between Wittgenstein and Goedel, Bohr and Einstein, etc.)

    I had put kg4poe on my list (he is off now), not because he was unknowledgeable - he made some very good contributions. I wouldn't have known about the Gravity B probe and its analysis, or Killing vectors, and I am grateful for that input. But he was overbearing in his lack of perspective on some of the foundational issues I was considering (the Minkowski metric and its relation to STR, etc.), and was cluttering up the discussion with invective clatter. For me knowledge is a journey, and I do change my posts, re-edit old ones, and go back to old threads as I learn more.

    And trying to write about math and physics forces me to clarify things in my own mind - criticism does help me to tweak my results to where I understand where the issues really are, and acknowledge the new perspective - in that sense, it is not a "mistake" or "stupidity"; as an honest seeker of truth it is something I have overlooked or was not knowledgeable about, similar to John Gabriel, which is why I did my best not to personally attack him. (It was only after I finally figured out where he was coming from that I was able to write my critique with a diagram, but include the other issues that he was not aware of in his own personal studies.)

    I am really grateful for the interchanges I have had with others on the list who have listened and responded intelligently - I do make occasional humorous comments (e.g. "I was only wrong once, and that is when I thought I made a mistake") which only an idiot would interpret as a serious declaration - you know who you are...
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    Hey Chk,

    I hope im not on your list. You taught me a few things, which to me is really invaluable. We may not agree all the time but my opionion changes the more i learn. Long story short i respect your opinions and i would always like to argue more or agree more. Much respect bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    I use this forum to discuss concepts concerning Physics, Math, Philosophy, and other topics in which I am interested. There are those who I ignore for some reason, usually because they are technically incompetent, irrelevant, simply unpleasant or trolls. I think it a matter of common courtesy that those on my ignore list refrain from commenting in my threads, as I will in theirs.

    After a certain point, technical posts on this forum tend to degenerate into irrelevant noise and personal invective; when this happens, those actually interested in the ideas are welcome to send me a private message me and we'll see if we enjoy each others' company. If so, I'll add you to my contact list and we can continue the discussion with others of like mind on my private blog.

    See my suggestion in Forum Rules and Guidelines" : Thread and Message Options

    That said, I am only going to publicly list those who continue to post on my threads against my express request; I consider these people inconsiderate of common rules of interaction decency. They are not invited to my party and I have requested that they leave. In return, I will never post to threads they initiate.

    My public ignore list at present: emperorzelos, 7777777, Grapes

    Let the whining begin....
    I went from being at the front of the list, to off the list, and now the end of the list.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grapes View Post
    I went from being at the front of the list, to off the list, and now the end of the list.
    Complaint addressed.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason me View Post
    Hey Chk,

    I hope im not on your list. You taught me a few things, which to me is really invaluable. We may not agree all the time but my opionion changes the more i learn. Long story short i respect your opinions and i would always like to argue more or agree more. Much respect bro.
    Hi, Jason,

    Thanks for the response and feedback. My Ignore list has only three at present. If you'd like to join my blog, pm me, and I'll add you to my contact list.....

    Best Regards,

    Chuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by grapes View Post
    I went from being at the front of the list, to off the list, and now the end of the list.
    I'm not even on the list

    But I haven't really been arguing with the cranks. I'm surprised some of you seem to have been at it for a long, long time - doesn't it get boring after a while?

    It seems like there is dissension in the crank ranks though, they are starting to argue with each other. This could keep the comedy going for a while.

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    I find it so laughable Buleria that you think I use buzzwords when in reality, you are just too stupid to understand things

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    Emperorzelos is currently spamming my threads, and is now challenging me to a duel. I don't duel with mental midgets - "One should never wrestle with a pig; you only get dirty, but the pig enjoys it".
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