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    Default Moved: Side discussion on the speed of Photons

    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    Your preconceptions are limited to minimal and outdated contexts if they are not altogether wrong,(snip)
    Bare Mass I was using it in the context of an electron modeled as an elementary particle in a potential environment in a solid with respect to refraction, where the potential is the normalized surrounding virtual particles as a conceptual model for the inter-lattice potential between atoms.
    What elementary particle; A photon?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    I certainly wasn't using it in the QFT sense of particle collisions. I tried to make this clear by referring to Bloch functions, overlap integrals, and the Kronig-Penney models which you completely ignored as having no relevance to solid state physics. What an ass.
    What elementary particles are colliding? Photons?
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    This allows us to write , where m denotes the experimentally observable mass of the particle, its bare mass, and the increase in mass owing to the interaction of the particle with the medium or field.
    Are you applying to photons?
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    Default Re: Moved: Side discussion on the speed of Photons

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Says the man that tells everyone else to get out of his thread and stay silent when he presents misconceptions and gets called out for them.
    As for the rest of your post, I have moved the side argument here:
    Moved: Side discussion on the speed of Photons
    Now get out of my thread altogether. Village Idiot. Asshole.

    And actually, I stand by the my quote in your signature. You forgot to mention the lattice and valence electrons is all (kind of fundamental to solid state physics.

    If photons don't have mass, they how do they interact with electrons other than electromagnetically?. Electrons have charge as well as mass ....

    Atoms don't ionize in a cooled optical lattice (a lens), and the whole point of cooling is to prevent such transitions (or ejections) since they contribute to the opotical noise. What one needs is for the lattice to be as regular as possible, so the electrons on the outer shells are influenced only slightly by light, so the photons are not effected by jiggling, but only by the spacing of the electrons on the surfaces of atoms in the lattice. The less the electrons jiggle, the less they interfere with light, and the more the lattice and photon waves interact linearly,

    In a semiconductor, the point is to cool it so that unwanted transitions are eliminated, and the ONLY creation of holes is due to photons (which knock them out of their holes). But if photons don't have mass, then they still must interact with electrons electromagnetically (i.e., their charges)..

    You're a Vllage Idiot and an asshole.


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    Default Re: Moved: Side discussion on the speed of Photons

    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    Now get out of my thread altogether. Village Idiot. Asshole.
    Threads started by you are currently closed. You do not own the threads; you do not get to Silence anyone that expresses a rebuttal to your claims; you do not get to oppress and stifle disagreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    And actually, I stand by the my quote in your signature. You forgot to mention the lattice and valence electrons is all (kind of fundamental to solid state physics.
    I didn't forget to mention anything. I quoted your exact words. And your claim now about forgetting "lattice and valence electrons" is not anything that would support your claims, anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    If photons don't have mass, they how do they interact with electrons other than electromagnetically?. Electrons have charge as well as mass ....
    So, then you agree that your claims are ATM and not standard theory? Show me any reference that says that photons have mass in any standard physics texts.

    Photons have momentum.
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    "When photons interact with electrons, they are interacting with the charge around a "bare" mass, and thus the interaction is electromagnetic, hence light. This light slows the photon down." - BuleriaChk

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