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    My thread with the current version of my proof has disappeared without my knowledge or consent by an unethical moderator (neverfly). It is no longer available on this forum, and the old version is outdated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    My thread with the current version of my proof has disappeared without my knowledge or consent by an unethical moderator (neverfly). It is no longer available on this forum, and the old version is outdated.
    Your Current Version and all posts are intact and were not removed; they were merged to the appropriate thread unadulterated.
    They are fully available starting at post number 264 including all your posts made, my posts, and Grape's posts.
    Notifications are in that thread of the merge, along with a permanent redirect from the old thread link.

    I agree with you 100% that members posts should never be edited or removed by any other member without the Original Posters consent. I'm sorry if you experienced a bit of a shock there. Your reaction is thoroughly understandable.
    The merging was not meant to inconvenience you, but to maintain the integrity of the debate and to prevent loss of refutations on either side.

    This thread is also going to be moved to the Cage Match forum, as it is a challenge to an action you disagree with and not an actual on topic discussion cosmology and physics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Your Current Version and all posts are intact and were not removed; they were merged to the appropriate thread unadulterated.
    They are fully available starting at post number 264 including all your posts made, my posts, and Grape's posts.
    Notifications are in that thread of the merge, along with a permanent redirect from the old thread link.

    I agree with you 100% that members posts should never be edited or removed by any other member without the Original Posters consent. I'm sorry if you experienced a bit of a shock there. Your reaction is thoroughly understandable.
    The merging was not meant to inconvenience you, but to maintain the integrity of the debate and to prevent loss of refutations on either side.

    This thread is also going to be moved to the Cage Match forum, as it is a challenge to an action you disagree with and not an actual on topic discussion cosmology and physics.
    This is unpardonable, no matter how you try to sugar coat it, and a gross ethical violation on your part, especially since you and I have been in direct contention. You have violated the quote in your signature in the most unforgivable way.

    The only way to correct this is to delete all the posts up to my current version (I tried, but it was too much of effort. I may continue to delete more in the future, and leave you, grapes, and the Naked Emperor to talk to yourselves. And as soon as I find another venue, I will cease posting here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    This is unpardonable, no matter how you try to sugar coat it, and a gross ethical violation on your part, especially since you and I have been in direct contention. You have violated the quote in your signature in the most unforgivable way.

    The only way to correct this is to delete all the posts up to my current version (I tried, but it was too much of effort. I may continue to delete more in the future, and leave you, grapes, and the Naked Emperor to talk to yourselves. And as soon as I find another venue, I will cease posting here...

    "Free speech is a right, wise speech is a responsibility"
    You have free speech. In spite of your claims, no one has edited a single one of your posts aside from yourself. Your posts remain intact and in full visibility just as they always were.
    You have not been silenced or oppressed or removed.
    You contradict yourself: You talk about ethics while you delete the evidence in your own posts regularly and edit your own posts so heavily as to completely wreak havoc in understanding anything in a thread.
    All the while, you suggest that you should have the ability to silence others, block others from contributing to any thread you start and since you lack that ability, you refer to your ignore list as often as possible.
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    Default Re: Ethics Violation

    I think with this reaction we can add paranoia to the list of traits common with cranks that Bulshevik has.

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    I'm not sure what BulariaChk experienced on his screen, but I can speculate, given his initial response. It seems to me that he thought that I had removed his thread entirely.
    This, of course, led to an accusation I defended against: I removed no posts. I did not edit any posts. It's possible that BulariaChk used the words "edited this post" more akin to, "altered my thread."
    I merely merged the thread as I have done many, many times on this board since the first day I was given the task of Janitor Mod.
    But does merely merging it make me innocent of any wrong?
    BulariaChk had a point: He said it was a contradiction of interest because he and I were in mid-argument. The other side of that is that BulariaChk was in mid-argument with everyone. Were my motives 100%? I'm honestly not so sure, myself. I know why I merged the threads and I know I would have probably done so even if there was no argument. But I also firmly believe I would have shot BulariaChk a PM and discussed merging it, first. Merging them mid-debate made it more a hostile act and it was me that did that. I am not willing to just leave it at my justifications.

    I believe BulariaChk was absolutely 100% correct to confront me. This forum has something others don't. Publicly visible accountability with the Cage Match. That is exactly how it should be and others should be able to see that confrontation and its result.
    I believe that:
    -I was correct to merge the threads... The integrity of the debate really requires it. I noticed it was the same topic in two places and that sows confusion. It allows BulariaChk to move attention away from mistakes.
    -BulariaChk was correct to confront me about it.
    I was wrong to merge the threads without being considerate. I don't care of BulariaChk is a crank or a fine upstanding scientist with a Nobel Prize. He and I should be held to the same standard and if merging his thread means keeping his mistakes visible- so too must mine be.

    I talk a lot about the Scientific Method and bias, about our human condition and about the free exchange of ideas. I know that when I pointed out in a post that the merge had a permanent redirect and that I'd acknowledged the merge in the merged thread that in reality, I was being dismissive of BulariaChk. I know for a fact that was what was going on in my head at the time. And when I read posts 321 and 322 in that thread, it reads like a jerk wrote it because BulariaChk was not even yet aware of the merger. I hadn't told him about it, I just kinda slammed it in there.
    I can't hide behind the accusation that BulariaChk is 'just a crank,' or that he was in argument with all the active posters at the moment or that merging the threads was the proper course - If I don't acknowledge that I was dismissive and that contradicts things I believe; that that was a mistake... Then how can I promote Science?
    BulariaChk was right to confront it and if he reacted strongly; I would have reacted strongly, too. Hell, I wasn't exactly a sweetheart when he made an accusation that I found unfair.

    Chuck, I was dismissive and I am sorry for not extending you the courtesy you deserve as a member and a poster. Thanks for keeping me accountable to it.
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    Default Re: Ethics Violation

    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    My thread with the current version of my proof has disappeared without my knowledge or consent by an unethical moderator (neverfly). It is no longer available on this forum, and the old version is outdated.
    Oh no, that hard-earned Abel Prize down the toilet bowl now.

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