Thread: Infinite everythings

Space is infinite, therefor it's quite safe to say that the amount of galaxies is also infinite. If the amount of galaxies is infinite, the amount of planets is also infinite. If the amount of planets is infinite, the amount of planets with life is also be infinite. If the amount of planets with life is infinite, the amount of planets with human life is also infinite. If the amount of planets with human life is infinite, the amount of exact duplicates of Earth is also infinite. If the amount of exact duplicates of Earth is infinite. the amount of exact duplicates of you, me and everybody else is also infinite. Prove me wrong.

There are an infinite number of fractions between zero and one, and they're all different, none of them are the same.

Just because there are an infinite number does not mean that two have to be identical.

Fractions are values. Even though each single fraction is not identical to another fraction, there are infinite amounts of the same fraction that are. If you have an infinite amount of snowflakes, you will also have an infinite amount of identical snowflakes.

Fractions are values. Of course different values can't be duplicates. But if you have an infinite amount of fractions. you will also have an infinite amount of fractions that are.

Not necessarily, that was my point. Of course, you *could* pick the same one over and over, but if you pick an infinite amount of numbers at random between zero and one, one at a time, the probability is zero that any of them will ever be duplicates.

Not that you couldn't pick a pair of duplicates, it's just very low probability.

So the probability of infinite earths is low but not zero.

No, the probability is zero, at random. You can make copies, if you want to. ������

Actually the issue is one of close match.

The way this is usually treated is how far you have to go to find a close match. Close match defined by the parameters of how complicated is the thing you want to match and how exact a match you want to find. The more complicated the thing is and the more exact a match then the farther you have to go to find the match.

IIRC the distance you would have to go to find a planet with a close enough match to Earth to take the place of a duplicate of you would be a couple of trillions times the distance to the edge of the observable universe. You would have to look at all the planets in that volume to find the match. And you would probably find a lot of close matches first before you found an exact match. Some where Elvis is still alive, Hitler won WWII or dinosaurs still roam and so on.

I'm inclined to agree with grapes.

It does not have to follow that something is duplicated because its infinite. I could easily say that if the universe is infinite then there could be an infinite number of unique planets. Prove me wrong.

I don't see the connection between infinite and duplicate.

If you consider the snowflake consider that a flake with only a couple of molocules has fewer arragements of those molocules. How many flakes would you need to look at to find an identical arrangement? If you were looking for a duplicate of a flake with millions of molocules you would have to look at a lot more flakes. You could go the other way. Consider a flake with only a few molocules but at a different tempreture. How many would you have to look at to find a duplicate flake with the same arrangement of molocules and the same tempreture?

So considering the complexity of the match and the exactitude of the match is how this is treated.

Because infinity is a metaphysical concept grapes plays games with it. I'm familiar with david wm and he does the same thing. Just read the neverendingis.999...equalto1 thread. They'll argue for years on the subject

Parallel lines never meet by definition. By convention they meet at infinity. Which is right? paralell lines never meet. That's the physics of it. They only meet at a metaphysical place called infinity.

If you're talking physical not metaphysics you're talking close match, tolerances, mechanics.

Punch a hole in a paper and using the same punch and the same paper punch another hole and still the holes on some level of physical measurment will be differant. Punch a million holes and you will find a close match to some specific physical statement of measurment and punch an infinite number of holes you are certain to find an exact match to any specific physical statement of measurment. To some undefined statement of infinite measurement specifications you can't with certainty find a match. But you could. Infinity is a set of all sets game. Can't have a set of all sets because that set is a set and to contain all sets it would have to contain itself making a new set that has to be contained in the set of all sets which has to contain itself ad infinitm. Metaphysics applied to physics is bullshit.