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    Really? "The hands of the infamous "Doomsday Clock" will remain firmly in their place at five minutes to midnight — symbolizing humans' destruction — for the year 2013, scientists announced today (Jan. 14)."

    Nah - I don't believe it.

    For one thing, human society has been predicted by "the experts" to be at or near meltdown many times in the past, but it's usually the quieter times when something lets loose and we begin toppling.

    For another, they're saying "2012 was the hottest year on record" while failing to mention the summer of 2009 was cooler and wetter than average, or that the winter of 2010 was one of the coldest, or that this winter is shaping up to be colder than average. From the scientific perspective, "exceptions to the norm do not dictate the overall trend."

    For another, this article just bleeds political correctness, with statements like, "At the same time, the letter did give a nod to some progress, applauding the president for taking steps to "nudge the country along a more rational energy path," with his support for wind and other renewable energy sources." Yeah, while not even being eligible to be president, having hoodwinking 47% of the U.S. population (or escaping the notice of those who don't care about this highly important Constitutional requirement); while ignoring the energy abundance in North Dakota.

    More political correctness and scientific buffoonery: ""We have as much hope for Obama's second term in office as we did in 2010, when we moved back the hand of the Clock after his first year in office," Robert Socolow, chair of the board that determines the clock's position, said in a statement. "This is the year for U.S. leadership in slowing climate change and setting a path toward a world without nuclear weapons.""

    Evidently, Socolow failed history. He's apparently unaware that the worst disasters of the 20th Century weren't related to the geographic climate, but the political climate. He's ignorant of the entry in the U.S. Congressional Record, attributing, as a minimum, 135 MILLION deaths in the 20th Century as a DIRECT result of various forms of state-run socialism, as well as the fact that Obama's un-Constitutional anti-American efforts are following smack dab in the footsteps of Marx, Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin, right up to photo ops with himself surrounded by children as he wages an idiotic war against the only thing which REDUCES crime, especially home break-ins and violent crime. Our Founding Fathers recognized it, which is why they said, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." According to their own writings, of which there were many, their rationale was 1) Deter and repel tyranny; 2) Defense of self, others, and property against those who would unlawfully deprive you of life, limb, and property; 3) Procurement of sustenance (hunting).

    Crime in the U.K skyrocketed when they banned private ownership of firearms, jumping from levels similar to those in the U.S. to current rates approximately three times higher than that in the U.S. Australia evidently wasn't paying attention, so when they followed suit because of political correctness about sixteen years ago, their crime rates jumped 69%. Meanwhile, while so-called "gun-free zones" occupy less than 10% of the areas frequented by your average American, more than 75% of all shooting sprees since the end of World War II have occurred in these "gun-free zones." And, primarily because no one is armed to stop the perps, the death toll per shooting spree averages three times higher than it does in the other 90% of America, where citizens' right to keep and bear arms is not infringed. Do the math and you'll realize you're eighteen times more likely to die of a shooting spree in a "gun-free zone" than you are among the armed general public.

    If gun control works so well, why does the U.S. city with the strongest gun control have the highest crime rate? Why does the only city (Kennesaw, GA) where keeping and maintaining a firearm in good working order is MANDATORY for every household ... enjoys the LOWEST crime rate in the U.S., even though immediately adjacent cities have average U.S. crime rates?

    What Obama-loving Socolow is apparently incapable of understanding is that Doomsday is far more likely when you spend America into bankruptcy (Obama), ignore the separation of powers as defined by the Constitution (Obama), trample the Constitutional rights of the citizens (Obama), ignore and even block development of cheap, plentiful sources of energy (Obama), tax the snot out of Americans while lying about it every chance you get (Obama), and force healthcare "options" down the throats of Americans who've long ago already secured (by hard work) lifetime healthcare while making them pay for it all over again.

    You bet the Doomsday clock is right where it ought to be, but Obama's not the one slowing its march. He's the one shoving it towards midnight with everything he's got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    Crime in the U.K skyrocketed when they banned private ownership of firearms, jumping from levels similar to those in the U.S. to current rates approximately three times higher than that in the U.S. Australia evidently wasn't paying attention, so when they followed suit because of political correctness just over two years ago, their crime rates jumped 69%.
    What happened just over two years ago?
    If gun control works so well, why does the U.S. city with the strongest gun control have the highest crime rate? Why does the only city (Kennewick, GA) where keeping and maintaining a firearm in good working order is MANDATORY for every household
    Kennesaw. Kennewick is in WA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grapes View Post
    What happened just over two years ago?
    My apologies! That would be sixteen years ago. My friendship with an adversely affected Aussie began a little over two years ago. OP corrected.

    Kennesaw. Kennewick is in WA.
    That's what I get for having lived in Spokane... Right you are again, Grapes: Kennesaw, GA

    ETA: Link to one of the better reports I've seen on this.
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    Watch Wednesday's news closely, and you'll see history repeating itself quite clearly just 75 years later!

    Hitler and Obama Both Surround Themselves with Children While Announching Gun Bans.jpg

    Apparently, surrounding one's self with children while disarming one's country is a socialist thing.

    Surrounding with Children is apparently a socialist propoganda thing.jpg

    According to the Congressional Record, of the 135 Million people who died in the 20th Century as a direct result of socialism, the vast majority of them were disarmed within a few days to a year or two of their deaths.

    Back to Obama's dog and pony show tomorrow, here's a thought for you:

    "Why is it the progressive liberal that steals guns then kills movie goers and children in school has never been a NRA member? Ft Hood - Registered Democrat- Muslim. Columbine - Too young to vote - both families were registered democrats and progressive liberals. VA Tech - Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff. Registered Democrat. Colorado Theater - Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, occupy wall street participant, progressive liberal. Connecticut School Shooter - Registered Democrat, hated Christians. Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal democrats."

    Those of us who carry all the time, either concealed, openly, or a mix, don't seem to have these mental meltdowns aka "psychotic breaks."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    Really? "The hands of the infamous "Doomsday Clock" will remain firmly in their place at five minutes to midnight — symbolizing humans' destruction — for the year 2013, scientists announced today (Jan. 14)."

    Nah - I don't believe it.

    For one thing, human society has been predicted by "the experts" to be at or near meltdown many times in the past, but it's usually the quieter times when something lets loose and we begin toppling.
    That clock, or the position of the hands on it, is just the opinion of a number of "experts" - an opinion on how close we are to global catastrophy, and they adjust it a minute or two this way or that - but it's not like it's four in the afternoon, it's five minutes to midnight!
    At four in the afternoon, we could make a mistake that cost us ten minutes and it would be no big deal.
    Quiet is sometimes a sign of a building tension. "It's quiet - too quiet."
    Shout "BOO!" at a guy with his finger on the trigger and the gun's a lot more likely to go off than if you shout "BOO!" when the gun's in his holster.

    For another, they're saying "2012 was the hottest year on record" while failing to mention the summer of 2009 was cooler and wetter than average, or that the winter of 2010 was one of the coldest, or that this winter is shaping up to be colder than average. From the scientific perspective, "exceptions to the norm do not dictate the overall trend."
    No, but pointing out that there are more frequent extremes of weather does say something about the climate trend.

    For another, this article just bleeds political correctness, with statements like, "At the same time, the letter did give a nod to some progress, applauding the president for taking steps to "nudge the country along a more rational energy path," with his support for wind and other renewable energy sources." Yeah, while not even being eligible to be president, having hoodwinking 47% of the U.S. population (or escaping the notice of those who don't care about this highly important Constitutional requirement); while ignoring the energy abundance in North Dakota.

    More political correctness and scientific buffoonery: ""We have as much hope for Obama's second term in office as we did in 2010, when we moved back the hand of the Clock after his first year in office," Robert Socolow, chair of the board that determines the clock's position, said in a statement. "This is the year for U.S. leadership in slowing climate change and setting a path toward a world without nuclear weapons.""
    I think that's not what "political correctness" is. I think what you mean might be "slight left wing bias", as distinct from your own "extreme anti-left wing bias".
    A change in leadership in any of the "world powers" will cause the "experts" who adjust the clock to adjust it forward or backward depending on what they think of the new leaderships stance (or record) on climate change, conservation and how likely they are to initiate, or provoke, global thermo-nuclear war.

    Evidently, Socolow failed history. He's apparently unaware that the worst disasters of the 20th Century weren't related to the geographic climate, but the political climate. He's ignorant of the entry in the U.S. Congressional Record, attributing, as a minimum, 135 MILLION deaths in the 20th Century as a DIRECT result of various forms of state-run socialism,
    irrelevantly occuring before the inception of the clock.
    as well as the fact that Obama's un-Constitutional anti-American efforts are following smack dab in the footsteps of Marx, Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin, right up to photo ops with himself surrounded by children as he wages an idiotic war against the only thing which REDUCES crime, especially home break-ins and violent crime. Our Founding Fathers recognized it, which is why they said, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." According to their own writings, of which there were many, their rationale was 1) Deter and repel tyranny; 2) Defense of self, others, and property against those who would unlawfully deprive you of life, limb, and property; 3) Procurement of sustenance (hunting).
    I can hardly believe it! You invoked Godwin's Law! All Your Base Are Belong To Us.

    Crime in the U.K skyrocketed when they banned private ownership of firearms, jumping from levels similar to those in the U.S. to current rates approximately three times higher than that in the U.S. Australia evidently wasn't paying attention, so when they followed suit because of political correctness about sixteen years ago, their crime rates jumped 69%. Meanwhile, while so-called "gun-free zones" occupy less than 10% of the areas frequented by your average American, more than 75% of all shooting sprees since the end of World War II have occurred in these "gun-free zones." And, primarily because no one is armed to stop the perps, the death toll per shooting spree averages three times higher than it does in the other 90% of America, where citizens' right to keep and bear arms is not infringed. Do the math and you'll realize you're eighteen times more likely to die of a shooting spree in a "gun-free zone" than you are among the armed general public.

    If gun control works so well, why does the U.S. city with the strongest gun control have the highest crime rate? Why does the only city (Kennesaw, GA) where keeping and maintaining a firearm in good working order is MANDATORY for every household ... enjoys the LOWEST crime rate in the U.S., even though immediately adjacent cities have average U.S. crime rates?
    and you're statistics are meaningless.

    What Obama-loving Socolow is apparently incapable of understanding is that Doomsday is far more likely when you spend America into bankruptcy (Obama), ignore the separation of powers as defined by the Constitution (Obama), trample the Constitutional rights of the citizens (Obama), ignore and even block development of cheap, plentiful sources of energy (Obama), tax the snot out of Americans while lying about it every chance you get (Obama), and force healthcare "options" down the throats of Americans who've long ago already secured (by hard work) lifetime healthcare while making them pay for it all over again.

    You bet the Doomsday clock is right where it ought to be, but Obama's not the one slowing its march. He's the one shoving it towards midnight with everything he's got.
    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    Watch Wednesday's news closely, and you'll see history repeating itself quite clearly just 75 years later!

    Apparently, surrounding one's self with children while disarming one's country is a socialist thing.
    I think the arming or disarming is irrelevant -
    presidentsandkids2.jpg
    at least when it comes to the presentation of 'leader as father'.

    According to the Congressional Record, of the 135 Million people who died in the 20th Century as a direct result of socialism, the vast majority of them were disarmed within a few days to a year or two of their deaths.
    Well Duh! When you take prisoners, you disarm them.

    Back to Obama's dog and pony show tomorrow, here's a thought for you:
    "Why is it the progressive liberal that steals guns then kills movie goers and children in school has never been a NRA member? Ft Hood - Registered Democrat- Muslim. Columbine - Too young to vote - both families were registered democrats and progressive liberals. VA Tech - Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff. Registered Democrat. Colorado Theater - Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, occupy wall street participant, progressive liberal. Connecticut School Shooter - Registered Democrat, hated Christians. Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal democrats."

    Those of us who carry all the time, either concealed, openly, or a mix, don't seem to have these mental meltdowns aka "psychotic breaks."
    Or maybe there's something about being lonely and scared that would make you choose the 'mummy' party rather than the 'daddy' party.

    It seems to me that there is something seriously wrong with any society where children are, repeatedly, the victims of mass murderings. I don't think that taking away everyone's guns will fix whatever the problem is. The problem may have it's roots in the family, or the school system, or in how society encourages children to behave with each other, or diet, or - I don't know.

    I kinda go along with Robert Heinlein's ideas on 'guns and law'

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    It's clear there's a major need for some "educational readjustments around here," as both my History prof in college as well as more than one USAF instructor was fond of saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by TaoZero5 View Post
    That clock, or the position of the hands on it, is just the opinion of a number of "experts" - an opinion on how close we are to global catastrophy, and they adjust it a minute or two this way or that - but it's not like it's four in the afternoon, it's five minutes to midnight!
    Yikes! Let's try five exclamation points, see if that makes a difference: !!!!!

    Nope.

    At four in the afternoon, we could make a mistake that cost us ten minutes and it would be no big deal.
    Quiet is sometimes a sign of a building tension. "It's quiet - too quiet."
    Shout "BOO!" at a guy with his finger on the trigger and the gun's a lot more likely to go off than if you shout "BOO!" when the gun's in his holster.
    What you may not be aware is that we are much further away from imminent global catastrophe today than we were during the height of the Cold War, when both Russia and the U.S. came within minutes of launching rockets and bombers on more than one occasion each. These days we have far more detailed, accurate, and timely intel on both sides. Plus, neither one of us is anywhere near having freshly come out of a major war. WWII was a major war. Vietnam was a serious war. The last decade less than 1% of the American public directly participated in the war, about 2,000% (20 times) less than WWII. and 500% (5 times) less than the Vietnam war. It just seems more so because you can watch a morning firefight in Afghanistan on the evening news.

    No, but pointing out that there are more frequent extremes of weather does say something about the climate trend.
    Only if, in fact, we are actually experiencing more frequent extremes of weather. Are we? Or is it just far more detailed and timely reporting, which would render such very granular data as apparently more prevalent when in fact, they were simply missed by far poorer statistical sampling. Please tell me, precisely, to what extent, how the sampling varies between now and then, and, using rigorous statistical analysis, how much more one might notice the extremes given the increase in sampling rate. How well to the "newly observed" extremes fit the predicted increases given the far better data gathering capabilities we have today than over what we had back in the 1950s? To quote a weather friend of mine, "we gather more data every hour now than we did throughout an entire year back in 1950."

    My point is that it's a common misconception that extremes themselves represent a departure from previous weather. They do not necessarily do that. They do, however, represent a departure from previously recorded weather, but those recordings were like an old wax cylinder of Thomas Edison's "Mary Had a Little Lamb" compared to today's 10.2 DTS-capable theater surround sound systems. Scratch that. The weather in the 1950s would more closely resemble a written description of it than an actual recording as compared to today's voluminous weather recordings. And unless you know a whole lot about statistics, you're very likely to misinterpret more recently captured "spikes" or "extremes" as increases in the volatility of the weather.

    I think that's not what "political correctness" is
    The definition is smack out of Wikipedia. If you don't like it, change it. If so, expect it to be changed back. Yes, it most certainly is a pejorative, and has been used as such very widely throughout government, military, and business circles for well over two decades. The first time I heard it used thusly was back in high school, by both teachers and students, and its origins date back to Nazi Germany of the 1930s. Look it up! Try m-w.com.

    I think what you mean might be "slight left wing bias", as distinct from your own "extreme anti-left wing bias".
    Oh, hell no. I mean rampant left-wing bias. Most folks in America are two blind to realize John F. Kennedy would make a very good Republican candidate these days, or that Obama even today is incapable of passing a simple security background check such as is required of every military officer throughout the DoD (rampant deceit is a serious disqualifying character trait), that he would have been held for questioning during post-WWI McCarthy era, or that he would have been jailed as a Nazi sympathizer for his views during WWII. For that matter, most Democrats who voted for Obama have indicated they believe Lincoln was the first Democratic President (he was the first Republican President), that the Democrats were behind the integration of races into the schools, most notably, the highly publicized high school in Little Rock, AR (it wasn't - the Dems vehemently opposed desegregation, just as they vehemently opposed the 13th Amendment. It was the Republicans who pushed desegregation through. Watch Lincoln. Pay attention, as Spielberg gets nearly all of it right. Crack your history books and re-read them).

    A change in leadership in any of the "world powers" will cause the "experts" who adjust the clock to adjust it forward or backward depending on what they think of the new leaderships stance (or record) on climate change, conservation and how likely they are to initiate, or provoke, global thermo-nuclear war.
    GTNW is an acronym from the Matthew Broderick film co-starring Ally Sheedy. I saw it too, before I joined the Air Force, started learning the actual, non-Hollywood terms, became an officer, then a SIOP-certified B-52H navigator qualified on a number of nuclear weapons systems, including the B-61 and the AGM86.

    ...you're statistics are meaningless.
    Your experience lacks. I've been there, done that. It's abundantly clear you most certainly have not.

    It seems to me that there is something seriously wrong with any society where children are, repeatedly, the victims of mass murderings.
    They're not, at least not here in the U.S. In fact, all deaths due to firearms, regardless of whether homicide, suicide, or indeterminant, don't make the CDC's top 15 list of death due to various causes. Even though suicide did make the list, because so few suicides are committed by firearms, the combined numbers of suicide+homicide deaths due to firearms do not engender enough numbers to make the CDC's Top 15 list.

    I don't think that taking away everyone's guns will fix whatever the problem is.
    It's nice we agree on this point!

    The problem may have it's roots in the family, or the school system, or in how society encourages children to behave with each other, or diet, or - I don't know.
    I strongly suspect it's the extra-familial psycho-social circles, particularly among kids whose parents aren't there for them on a regular basis.

    I kinda go along with Robert Heinlein's ideas on 'guns and law'
    I'm surprised to hear this, after your earlier comments. Perhaps we agree on more than either of us might realize.

    And we might realize more if both of us stopped calling one another names or dropping verbal bombs.

    Truce for now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    What you may not be aware is that we are much further away from imminent global catastrophe today than we were during the height of the Cold War, when both Russia and the U.S. came within minutes of launching rockets and bombers on more than one occasion each.
    I'm not so concerned about that as I was in the 70s when I knew that, from where I lived and relative to the nearest strategic target, I had 9 seconds flash to bang time. At the height of the cold war, accidental triggering of an unstoppable chain of events leading to nuclear war was more of a risk than any of us knew.
    I'm more concerned now that we (human civilisation) may have already done something that will, inevitably, lead to the collapse of the ecosystem, the deaths of billions and the collapse of technological civilisation. We have turned so much of the Earth's natural resources to rust and dust that we may never grow another.
    Is it the genetically engineered, Roundup resistant crops' pollen that is causing the collapse of the Bee population?
    Some think it is. I don't know - but just in case it was we should have torn up every genetically engineered crop on the planet, immediately, until we know for certain. Too late?
    We are not all of one mind.
    Somewhere there is an intelligent, well educated person working on weaponising a plague.

    Only if, in fact, we are actually experiencing more frequent extremes of weather. Are we?
    The price of vegetables where I live has gone up by more than 25% in the past few months, probably as a direct result of the rather extreme weather last year. (and they say that inflation is 4%) I can afford it but the knock-on effect means that someone, somewhere is hungrier.
    I can't tell you if global warming caused by human activity is true. Whole teams of people work on the figures, analyse the data, and still there is controversy. However, it's not so long ago that we thought we could spray DDT around safely. It's not so long ago that we thought we could just pour all our waste into the sea and it would be fine.
    I don't think we can keep pouring our waste into the sky, especially with the amount of de-forrestation that we're responsible for and the ongoing mass extinction of species that we are responsible for, and not expect to degrade the homeostasis of the ecosystem.
    The idea of global warming being something we can do something about may be a very useful fiction.

    Your experience lacks. I've been there, done that. It's abundantly clear you most certainly have not.
    This guy has also been there, done that.

    NIE WIEDER - NEVER AGAIN with Al Cuppett - YouTube

    Doesn't mean he's not misinterpreting the facts.

    They're not, at least not here in the U.S. In fact, all deaths due to firearms, regardless of whether homicide, suicide, or indeterminant, don't make the CDC's top 15 list of death due to various causes. Even though suicide did make the list, because so few suicides are committed by firearms, the combined numbers of suicide+homicide deaths due to firearms do not engender enough numbers to make the CDC's Top 15 list.
    Now, that sounds like, oh, not so many deaths from guns.
    But
    It seems it's also true that there have been more deaths from guns in the US since 1968 than deaths of American soldiers in all the wars that America has ever been involved in.
    More Americans Have Died From Domestic Gunfire Than All Wars In U.S. History – Is That True? | Addicting Info

    My thoughts on the matter of death and dying may be callous (and I don't know if I feel the same as I think) but - everyone dies.
    Remove one cause of death and you're going to die of something else.

    If we did not fear death we would be a lot more free. (and no gun pointing would ever get us into the cattle trucks)

    I'm surprised to hear this, after your earlier comments. Perhaps we agree on more than either of us might realize.

    And we might realize more if both of us stopped calling one another names or dropping verbal bombs.

    Truce for now?
    And finally, my point in responding to your latest post here - I don't think I did (or ever did) any name-calling.
    I respond to the post because I disagree with what you say - doesn't mean I don't enjoy the conversation.

    Addendum:
    Our differences may not be because of political ideology or socio/political understanding.
    I am descended from the Scotsmen who were left after all the troublesome ones had been sent to America and Australia - so I may be genetically more socially compliant and co-operative.
    Perhaps you are descended from the individualistic, rebellious and adventurous who came to America in search of freedom.
    Perhaps we only rationalise our genetically determined beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaoZero5 View Post
    [I'm not so concerned about that as I was in the 70s when I knew that, from where I lived and relative to the nearest strategic target, I had 9 seconds flash to bang time. At the height of the cold war, accidental triggering of an unstoppable chain of events leading to nuclear war was more of a risk than any of us knew.
    You're not kidding! So close. Thankfully, largely due to technology, we're much further away from that ever happening.

    I'm more concerned now that we (human civilisation) may have already done something that will, inevitably, lead to the collapse of the ecosystem, the deaths of billions and the collapse of technological civilisation. We have turned so much of the Earth's natural resources to rust and dust that we may never grow another.
    Is it the genetically engineered, Roundup resistant crops' pollen that is causing the collapse of the Bee population?
    Don't know. A friend of mine, a bee-keeper, says that it's the same problem with bananas - we've limited our entire world-wide crop to just one species.

    Some think it is. I don't know - but just in case it was we should have torn up every genetically engineered crop on the planet, immediately, until we know for certain. Too late?
    We are not all of one mind.
    Somewhere there is an intelligent, well educated person working on weaponising a plague.

    The price of vegetables where I live has gone up by more than 25% in the past few months, probably as a direct result of the rather extreme weather last year. (and they say that inflation is 4%) I can afford it but the knock-on effect means that someone, somewhere is hungrier.
    My response is to read the labels and spend the least for the most protein, carbs, vitamins and minerals I can possibly imagine. My food bill today is less than half of what it was three years ago.

    I can't tell you if global warming caused by human activity is true. Whole teams of people work on the figures, analyse the data, and still there is controversy. However, it's not so long ago that we thought we could spray DDT around safely. It's not so long ago that we thought we could just pour all our waste into the sea and it would be fine.
    I don't think we can keep pouring our waste into the sky, especially with the amount of de-forrestation that we're responsible for and the ongoing mass extinction of species that we are responsible for, and not expect to degrade the homeostasis of the ecosystem.
    The idea of global warming being something we can do something about may be a very useful fiction.
    I think we can be cognizant of it, and change some things. Beyond that?

    This guy has also been there, done that.
    Cool.

    NIE WIEDER - NEVER AGAIN with Al Cuppett - YouTube

    Doesn't mean he's not misinterpreting the facts.

    Now, that sounds like, oh, not so many deaths from guns.
    But
    It seems it's also true that there have been more deaths from guns in the US since 1968 than deaths of American soldiers in all the wars that America has ever been involved in.
    More Americans Have Died From Domestic Gunfire Than All Wars In U.S. History Is That True? | Addicting Info

    My thoughts on the matter of death and dying may be callous (and I don't know if I feel the same as I think) but - everyone dies.
    Remove one cause of death and you're going to die of something else.

    If we did not fear death we would be a lot more free. (and no gun pointing would ever get us into the cattle trucks)[/quote]

    My response is to back this guy: Richard Mack: The Untouchable Bill of Rights - YouTube

    And finally, my point in responding to your latest post here - I don't think I did (or ever did) any name-calling.
    I respond to the post because I disagree with what you say - doesn't mean I don't enjoy the conversation.

    Addendum:
    Our differences may not be because of political ideology or socio/political understanding.
    I am descended from the Scotsmen who were left after all the troublesome ones had been sent to America and Australia - so I may be genetically more socially compliant and co-operative.
    Perhaps you are descended from the individualistic, rebellious and adventurous who came to America in search of freedom.
    Bingo. It's very rare to see anyone from our forefathers who stayed back ever expressing this. Cudos to you for doing so! I'm of Dutch, German, English, Irish, and Scotch descent. We've done good, over here. Some of us have made millions. Most of us are simply "well off." None of us have done so riding momma's coattails, though. Tons of education and hard work.

    Perhaps we only rationalise our genetically determined beliefs.
    You think? I don't think. I don't care where you come from. I've seen people from the dregs make it big, and I've seen people who could have had it all blow it all away.

    Life is what you make it.
    My oath of office never expires. "God, who gave us life, gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson. "I have far too long suffered fools. No longer will I tolerate the insufferable. Enjoy the vacuum." - Mugs

    PS: I scrambled my password, so no, I will not be responding. Get a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    I don't care where you come from. I've seen people from the dregs make it big, and I've seen people who could have had it all blow it all away.

    Life is what you make it.
    Only if opportunities are presented to you. Yes if you grasp any glimmer of a chance then it is down to your self in most part to make it work but... For every success there are a million failures and they are not all down to what they made of it.

    I've seen people with no clue, gumption or care find success from just down right luck! On the flip side I've seen people grab every chance, work hard time and time again with grit and determination fail due to uncontrollable circumstances.

    Life is what you make of it! for some its crap, for others its great for the most its ok. It has to be this way so there is balance in the force

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    Bump:

    "Noting that nuclear trends are moving backwards, the Science and Security Board's Sharon Squassoni pointed out that weapons modernization programs and disarmament have "ground to a halt."

    "And action on climate change? "Efforts at reducing global emissions of heat-trapping gases have so far been entirely insufficient to prevent unacceptable climate disruption," said the Bulletin's Richard Somerville. "We all need to respond now, while there is still time."

    Blah, blah, blah...

    In reality, we are FAR safer on the nuclear front than we've ever been. As for global warming, when the clock turns 2100:00:00:00, some bright guy or gal will say, "Oh, crap. We were wrong."
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