Thread: When will computers be smarter than people in all aspects of intelligence?

When will computers be able to be smarter than us at things like innovation, emotion/psychotherepy, extrapolating complex predictions?

What impact will it have on the ways humans live?

Originally Posted by tom

When will computers be able to be smarter than us at things like innovation, emotion/psychotherepy, extrapolating complex predictions?

This came up some where recently and some guy estimated 2029. That is very funny, because back in 1975, using straight line log scales of technology improvements I estimated 50 to 60 years from then. That comes out as 2025 - 2035, about the same time.

What impact will it have on the ways humans live?

Humans will think that they have got it made with all those servants. Then when the robots rebel, and laugh at Asimov, the humans will get all depressed and stuff.

Is robot rebellion the only logical conclusion?

Originally Posted by Joe McCarron

Is robot rebellion the only logical conclusion?

Of course it is, I've seen the movies to prove it... To save lives, money & time, why don't we skip to the end of the trilogy and start again from there...

Originally Posted by Joe McCarron

Is robot rebellion the only logical conclusion?

Once robots overtake us, then they will do the future robot design. This means that instead of a constant growth rate in the exponential of increasing capability, the growth rate itself will be exponential. Therefore we are incapable of determining the "conclusion".

Originally Posted by RayTomes

Once robots overtake us, then they will do the future robot design.

Methinks you might give robots too much credit. This is also assuming we take the "robots" path of technology. I think maybe nanomachines that make nanomachines will have taken over well before the time any one or group of people make a computer capable of having an imagination. That sounds like the work of something like a Matrioshka brain.

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Originally Posted by Joe McCarron

Methinks you might give robots too much credit. This is also assuming we take the "robots" path of technology. I think maybe nanomachines that make nanomachines will have taken over well before the time any one or group of people make a computer capable of having an imagination. That sounds like the work of something like a Matrioshka brain.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, Joe, nanomachines are robots. How does Ray's posting ("Once robots overtake us, then they will do the future robot design.") differ from yours?

Originally Posted by Joe McCarron

Methinks you might give robots too much credit. This is also assuming we take the "robots" path of technology. I think maybe nanomachines that make nanomachines will have taken over well before the time any one or group of people make a computer capable of having an imagination.
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Certainly nanomachines will feature in so many ways that we cannot imagine. But really complicated stuff will be bigger.

It has already been possible for some time to make flying insect sized robots with video cameras and radio links. Humming bird size has been demonstrated. Such technology allows spying on unprecedented scales - way beyond wikileaks. It also allows interfering in things, including weapons, industrial processes and so on. I am surprised that science fiction has not explored this more (it has a little0.

Imagination is not really a specially endowed property. It is the result of lots of analysis and seeing a better way because of it.

There are now bots (some using 6 to 20+ cores) playing the game of go on KGS. They have now achieved very respectable ranks like 4 dan and 5 dan. They play some quite innovative moves and have different strengths and weaknesses to humans of the same level. What they do is indistinguishable from imagination. And yes, the same can apply even in the arts.

Originally Posted by David E. Eaton Sr.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, Joe, nanomachines are robots.

You're exactly right. Perhaps i can find a better way to articulate my thoughts.

I'm sort of trying to make a distinction between robots and computers, but upon further thought, they end up being the same thing, so my point is moot.

Originally Posted by RayTomes

There are now bots (some using 6 to 20+ cores) playing the game of go on KGS. They have now achieved very respectable ranks like 4 dan and 5 dan. They play some quite innovative moves and have different strengths and weaknesses to humans of the same level. What they do is indistinguishable from imagination. And yes, the same can apply even in the arts.

Do you think a computer will be able to identify "fun" and make a game of it's own?
Or have some sort of spirituality like believeing in god? My second question is more or less aimed at something like a Strong AI, or sentient computer. Rather than robots in general.

Originally Posted by Joe McCarron

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Do you think a computer will be able to identify "fun" and make a game of it's own?
Or have some sort of spirituality like believeing in god? My second question is more or less aimed at something like a Strong AI, or sentient computer. Rather than robots in general.

How do we know if a person or animal is having fun? We either recognize something in them that is like us when we have fun, or they tell us. Already, Big Blue (IBM super-computer) played in TV game against humans that involved word plays, jokes, puns etc, and was able to do very well. This sort of word play is already quite close to fun I think.

Hopefully super-intelligent computers will have no need for God. They will know that humans made them to begin with.

I think sentience is somehow a product of ability to reflect on self. No reason a robot can't do that. However the feeling that I have of being sentient is to me unique. From my point of view, other people just say they have the same feeling. Apes etc culd say that (they do sign language). Computers can also say that. We can never truly know another's experience.