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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    Is one minus one nothing? I have two apples, I eat one by one, math appears right, because now there are none. When I use thought and look deep inside, the two apples are still there, is math still right, only because the apples, are out of my sight?

    If an apple has become what an apple cannot be, then how was it an apple in the first place?

    If math describes a point in space, then reality proves empty and none right and logically makes sense. If math describes possibilities in a point in space, then reality proves not possible right and logically makes sense. What does math describe?
    Greek lad! Negative numbers do make sense.

    If you need to eat an apple and you don't have one, that means you have minus one apples. Get it?

    Read my article at LinkedIn called How we got numbers to understand the concept better than anyone else.

    The Euclidean derivation of number is the only valid derivation. Unfortunately, no Greek or any other person before me was even close to understanding what Euclid was trying to accomplish. Your questions have answers in my article and much more! Μιλάς ελληνικά;

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    Sorry, I did not actually answer your question. 1-1 is nothing. That is correct.
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    Default Re: Is one minus one nothing?

    One minus one = not possible.

    Not possible plus one = possible, one possibility.

    The math of merging, One minus one = one plus one.

    The math of splitting, One plus one = one minus one.

    The solution of math is one. The solution of logic is two. 2=2, balance in opposites.

    Beneath and above, after one possibility, now reaches not possible, if possible, next = time.

    If space is empty or none, time still exists there making space something, always.

    My best guess.

    John, I will read what you wrote but do not count on me understanding, I will try. I went to Sunday school, alter boy and Greek school for four years, taught by the priest, but I understand better because of mom or mana. I can read the Greek you wrote, but I have to disagree, 1-1=Not Possible. Two Greeks disagreeing, that has never happened before. Can you see my hands flailing? And yes, I am screaming which is how Greeks talk normally and calmly. I have been there, it isn't no lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    One minus one = not possible.

    Not possible plus one = possible, one possibility.

    The math of merging, One minus one = one plus one.

    The math of splitting, One plus one = one minus one.

    The solution of math is one. The solution of logic is two. 2=2, balance in opposites.

    Beneath and above, after one possibility, now reaches not possible, if possible, next = time.

    If space is empty or none, time still exists there making space something, always.

    My best guess.

    John, I will read what you wrote but do not count on me understanding, I will try. I went to Sunday school, alter boy and Greek school for four years, taught by the priest, but I understand better because of mom or mana. I can read the Greek you wrote, but I have to disagree, 1-1=Not Possible. Two Greeks disagreeing, that has never happened before. Can you see my hands flailing? And yes, I am screaming which is how Greeks talk normally and calmly. I have been there, it isn't no lie.
    Well, Greeks have often disagreed. If you look at their history, it is one full of wars against each other. It's healthy to disagree.

    The first two paragraphs of your opening post are rooted in philosophy - which is fine, but in mathematics one moves from ideas to reification of the same. By reification I mean an instance of the idea that can be tangible or intangible. After all, what use are ideas that cannot be used?

    I've given more thought to the last paragraph of your opening post:

    If math describes a point in space, then reality proves empty and none right and logically makes sense. If math describes possibilities in a point in space, then reality proves not possible right and logically makes sense. What does math describe?


    Math does not describe a point in space. Rather, it attempts to give the idea of point concrete meaning, by attempting to reify the point with reference to some origin, direction, scale, etc. Imagine that you have a void universe, in other words nothing exists apart from you and perhaps one more individual (call this person your friend). You cannot see or hear your friend but you can communicate telepathically. You cannot move, but your friend can move. How would you tell your friend how to find you?

    If you think about this carefully, you might realise that it's impossible to tell your friend how to find you in any systematic or logical way. This dilemma is a result of the idea of location (point). Suppose you could make a star appear right next to you. Although your friend can now see the star and move towards it, there is still no way for you to tell your friend how to arrive at the star in a systematic or logical way. You can't for example, say the star is below or above him or to his left or right or in front or behind.

    However, if you refine your frame of reference, that is, the origin or star with direction, then it will become possible (still difficult) to tell your friend how to arrive where you are. So, mathematics is based on the concept of point. All geometric objects are derived from the point. Algebra is just an easier kind of geometry.

    The concept of distance influenced how the Greeks thought about the point. In fact, a result about areas (Pythagoras) is what led to a systematic way of calculating distance. Note that if a point was not defined in the way that it is, then the Pythagorean theorem could not be applied to find the distance between two points. A point therefore has no part, extent, size or dimension. It is only an idea of location or place.
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    I don't know how to add your quotes, sorry. I tried, but did not do it right.

    Well, Greeks have often disagreed. If you look at their history, it is one full of wars against each other. It's healthy to disagree.

    As long as we raise our glasses, I can argue all night long, being right is irrelevant to me. Disagreeing is how I learn.

    The first two paragraphs of your opening post are rooted in philosophy - which is fine, but in mathematics one moves from ideas to reification of the same. By reification I mean an instance of the idea that can be tangible or intangible. After all, what use are ideas that cannot be used?

    It is called politics, professionals at using ideas that cannot or should not be used and making millions in the process. Philosophy? I eat one apple, an event that time and math should be able to describe. Not sure how that is philosophy, but like math, I do not understand either, so you could be right.

    Math does not describe a point in space. Rather, it attempts to give the idea of point concrete meaning, by attempting to reify the point with reference to some origin, direction, scale, etc. Imagine that you have a void universe, in other words nothing exists apart from you and perhaps one more individual (call this person your friend). You cannot see or hear your friend but you can communicate telepathically. You cannot move, but your friend can move. How would you tell your friend how to find you?

    How can I be sure the friend is not inside of me or just my imagination? Besides my own thought, how can I know time or distance? If I only have thought in a void universe, I can know time and distance, simply in thought, no friend required, but it would be better. Now that is philosophy, I think.

    In response to the rest:

    Great explanation, consider when I was a baby and today. All thru that time, I was and am only one point in space, only when relative is applied is a difference perceived. Math describes me as one, or many, depending on what we choose to describe, including distance. In any point of that time, however, I am only one, made of many. Philosophy or math cannot deny that, unless we ignore reality.

    I have two questions for you.

    Does your understanding of math fit time, or only if time is ignored? Can you state an example?

    If you had to write the code of time, what would it be?

    Wait, that is three questions, proving I am no good at math.

    Thank you for the great explanation, you have given me much to think about, I am not saying you are right, I am more stubborn than smart. Thank you for your time, whatever that is, I should know, I have it too, but I donít know what it is, do you? Great, that is four questions, not even close to two. If you are not Greek, I misunderstood, more proof I am not smart, as if I needed more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    I have two questions for you.

    Does your understanding of math fit time, or only if time is ignored? Can you state an example?
    Time is irrelevant to mathematics. It exists only because of motion - the motion of celestial bodies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    If you had to write the code of time, what would it be?
    Code of time? No idea what you mean.

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    I have it too, but I don’t know what it is, do you?
    Yeah, whatever it is, it probably is in our genes.

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    Great, that is four questions, not even close to two. If you are not Greek, I misunderstood, more proof I am not smart, as if I needed more.
    I am Greek. How else would I have known you are Greek?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john_gabriel View Post
    Time is irrelevant to mathematics. It exists only because of motion - the motion of celestial bodies.
    Time does exist in distance and change. Nothing is distance, distance is time, at least part of it. Does math not describe change, or change in a point in time? Can math exist without time, if so, how?

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    Code of time? No idea what you mean.
    I thought I read you wrote code, how else would describe time, or change in a beginning and end, over and over again?

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    Yeah, whatever it is, it probably is in our genes.
    Do our genes change or stay the same? No mutation? How can that be without time?

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    I am Greek. How else would I have known you are Greek?
    You are really smart, except when it comes to time.

    Look at me, I learned. Lazer, thanks, I need much help, I am not very bright.

    Kg4pae, I hope you have forgiven me; I would punch myself in the face if I could. I can, but I am just to pretty for that.
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    Default Re: Is one minus one nothing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    Time does exist in distance and change.
    Nope. Time does not exist without a physical universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    Nothing is distance, distance is time, at least part of it.
    Nothing is distance?! I don't think so.

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    Do our genes change or stay the same?
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    First, I hope you know I was just kidding. I thought that is what that smiley face means; I would never be serious about that.

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    Nope. Time does not exist without a physical universe.
    Without time, how could we have a beginning? The universe is physical and possibly eternal, are you sure it is not?

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    Nothing is distance?! I don't think so.
    If I was in a five foot box and wanted to measure a ten foot straight line, how could I unless nothing was in my way? How could I measure anything unless nothing was in my way? Without nothing, where would everything go? What is distance? A measurement of something in nothing. Without nothing, how could there be distance?

    I am not saying I am right, but just some of the thoughts I have had about distance and one possible answer is nothing is distance, or required to have distance.

    Yeah, I don’t know about our genes either, I just like to argue.

    Again John, I was just kidding. I am not a scientist, mathematician or comedian, but I try, even if I stink at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    First, I hope you know I was just kidding. I thought that is what that smiley face means; I would never be serious about that.



    Without time, how could we have a beginning? The universe is physical and possibly eternal, are you sure it is not?



    If I was in a five foot box and wanted to measure a ten foot straight line, how could I unless nothing was in my way? How could I measure anything unless nothing was in my way? Without nothing, where would everything go? What is distance? A measurement of something in nothing. Without nothing, how could there be distance?

    I am not saying I am right, but just some of the thoughts I have had about distance and one possible answer is nothing is distance, or required to have distance.

    Yeah, I don’t know about our genes either, I just like to argue.

    Again John, I was just kidding. I am not a scientist, mathematician or comedian, but I try, even if I stink at it.
    Hey Lefteri, I am just kidding also. The smiley means I am joking. No worries.
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