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    Quote Originally Posted by john_gabriel View Post
    Hey Lefteri, I am just kidding also. The smiley means I am joking. No worries.
    No worries anymore, phew. Thanks for engaging me John and giving me your time, I do appreciate it. I am learning, and sometimes learning is not pretty but failing is necessary, and makes it a challenge and therefore fun for me, although at times, my brain gets dizzy thinking about these things. I just keep trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    Stin yia mas. I donít have Greek characters, I know, a sin.
    You do! You just need to know how to access them.

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    You do! You just need to know how to access them.

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    That should do it.

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    Yeah, I know, you caught me. It’s been so long since I have written; I was looking for an excuse. I am not very good at deceiving. Maybe I should try, next time, to write Greek that is.

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    You do! You just need to know how to access them.

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    Γιαννι, εφχαριστο για ολλα και την βοεθια σου. Δεν ςερο αμα τα γραφου καλα, δεν εχει spell check. Ουτε ψερο αμα τα μιλαυ καλα. Εινε καλα να θημαμε τι ξεχασa, για το μιαλο μου. Γεραζο, καθε μερα. They have spell check here, yikes. Too much red. Oh well, more too learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john_gabriel View Post
    Well, Greeks have often disagreed. If you look at their history, it is one full of wars against each other. It's healthy to disagree.

    The first two paragraphs of your opening post are rooted in philosophy - which is fine, but in mathematics one moves from ideas to reification of the same. By reification I mean an instance of the idea that can be tangible or intangible. After all, what use are ideas that cannot be used?

    I've given more thought to the last paragraph of your opening post:

    If math describes a point in space, then reality proves empty and none right and logically makes sense. If math describes possibilities in a point in space, then reality proves not possible right and logically makes sense. What does math describe?


    Math does not describe a point in space. Rather, it attempts to give the idea of point concrete meaning, by attempting to reify the point with reference to some origin, direction, scale, etc. Imagine that you have a void universe, in other words nothing exists apart from you and perhaps one more individual (call this person your friend). You cannot see or hear your friend but you can communicate telepathically. You cannot move, but your friend can move. How would you tell your friend how to find you?

    If you think about this carefully, you might realise that it's impossible to tell your friend how to find you in any systematic or logical way. This dilemma is a result of the idea of location (point). Suppose you could make a star appear right next to you. Although your friend can now see the star and move towards it, there is still no way for you to tell your friend how to arrive at the star in a systematic or logical way. You can't for example, say the star is below or above him or to his left or right or in front or behind.

    However, if you refine your frame of reference, that is, the origin or star with direction, then it will become possible (still difficult) to tell your friend how to arrive where you are. So, mathematics is based on the concept of point. All geometric objects are derived from the point. Algebra is just an easier kind of geometry.

    The concept of distance influenced how the Greeks thought about the point. In fact, a result about areas (Pythagoras) is what led to a systematic way of calculating distance. Note that if a point was not defined in the way that it is, then the Pythagorean theorem could not be applied to find the distance between two points. A point therefore has no part, extent, size or dimension. It is only an idea of location or place.
    John, when I first read this it was hard for me to understand, still is. Not knowing algebra or geometry very well, I’m sure is not contributing. I think I understand your point, still, when time is applied what point are we describing? Math is describing an apple in a point in space. Which point in space is not part of the equation. That is not described, only the apple is, and when time is applied, I can follow that apple thru time, no matter where in space it is. When the apple enters my mouth is the point in time that math is describing as empty or none. If I had a little tiny apple that I can put in my mouth, math is right, it now magically changed to empty or none. If I don’t chew and spit it out, magic happens again, and math is proven wrong. If I put it back in my mouth, the apple is still there. Do I have to chew for math to be fact? The universe recycles, best we understand. What is the math of recycle? Imagine the apple thru time, there is a point we may lose sight of it, but it is still somewhere in the universe, just not like it was.

    An apple seed changes to an apple tree and makes apples, I eat one and it changes to empty or none. For math to describe an apple it has to pick a point in time, and the answer describes a different point in time. Math and time are related, best I understand it.

    An apple cannot exist in the same instant of time as empty or none. At a minimum, change takes time. How could there be change in no time? We can see change in pictures, different pictures or points in time, change shown in the photons of data, known as light. Math describes change or difference.

    One minus one is describing a change that will happen to the apple in the future, which is unknown, unless we believe math, then the future is known before it happens and cannot possibly be wrong. Is an apple core left over considered empty or none? One man’s garbage could be another man’s dinner, who is to decide? Don’t claim philosophy, an apple is physical and can be measured, a fact math should be able to describe, unless math is philosophy, then I don’t know what to do about that, except fix math, or our understanding of it, more specifically, mine.

    When I put the apple in my mouth, one minus one equals one plus one. When I spit it out, one plus one equals one minus one, the math of recycle when time is applied. As long as the apple and I are considered one possibility, we are equal in a math equation, just as math describes any two objects, when in reality they are not, as long as relative is ignored, which math does, until we apply it.

    What was and will be is still a part of everything, just in a different way. Philosophy or reality? We would have to exist an eternity to prove it. Eternity is a long time, and then some. I'm game, if you are.

    Not sure if that fits what you wrote, if not, it proves how little I understand. It will take me time, as long as I got it.

    I changed how much I understand to how little I understand. Funny how one word can change not just the meaning of one sentence, but everything I wrote. No one knows less about these things than me, I am slow, and it takes me time to realize reality. I’m blaming perception.
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    I check my pocket; there is one dollar, one good day, because my pocket is full. Another checks theirs, it is bare, empty or none, they are in despair. They steal my one dollar; my day turns blue, what was one, is now empty or none. It only proves it is being used by another, or is just somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    Γιαννι, εφχαριστο για ολλα και την βοεθια σου. Δεν ςερο αμα τα γραφου καλα, δεν εχει spell check. Ουτε ψερο αμα τα μιλαυ καλα. Εινε καλα να θημαμε τι ξεχασa, για το μιαλο μου. Γεραζο, καθε μερα. They have spell check here, yikes. Too much red. Oh well, more too learn.
    Hey! Just saw this now. Your Greek is not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    John, when I first read this it was hard for me to understand, still is. Not knowing algebra or geometry very well, I’m sure is not contributing. I think I understand your point, still, when time is applied what point are we describing? Math is describing an apple in a point in space. Which point in space is not part of the equation. That is not described, only the apple is, and when time is applied, I can follow that apple thru time, no matter where in space it is. When the apple enters my mouth is the point in time that math is describing as empty or none. If I had a little tiny apple that I can put in my mouth, math is right, it now magically changed to empty or none. If I don’t chew and spit it out, magic happens again, and math is proven wrong. If I put it back in my mouth, the apple is still there. Do I have to chew for math to be fact? The universe recycles, best we understand. What is the math of recycle? Imagine the apple thru time, there is a point we may lose sight of it, but it is still somewhere in the universe, just not like it was.

    An apple seed changes to an apple tree and makes apples, I eat one and it changes to empty or none. For math to describe an apple it has to pick a point in time, and the answer describes a different point in time. Math and time are related, best I understand it.

    An apple cannot exist in the same instant of time as empty or none. At a minimum, change takes time. How could there be change in no time? We can see change in pictures, different pictures or points in time, change shown in the photons of data, known as light. Math describes change or difference.

    One minus one is describing a change that will happen to the apple in the future, which is unknown, unless we believe math, then the future is known before it happens and cannot possibly be wrong. Is an apple core left over considered empty or none? One man’s garbage could be another man’s dinner, who is to decide? Don’t claim philosophy, an apple is physical and can be measured, a fact math should be able to describe, unless math is philosophy, then I don’t know what to do about that, except fix math, or our understanding of it, more specifically, mine.

    When I put the apple in my mouth, one minus one equals one plus one. When I spit it out, one plus one equals one minus one, the math of recycle when time is applied. As long as the apple and I are considered one possibility, we are equal in a math equation, just as math describes any two objects, when in reality they are not, as long as relative is ignored, which math does, until we apply it.

    What was and will be is still a part of everything, just in a different way. Philosophy or reality? We would have to exist an eternity to prove it. Eternity is a long time, and then some. I'm game, if you are.

    Not sure if that fits what you wrote, if not, it proves how little I understand. It will take me time, as long as I got it.

    I changed how much I understand to how little I understand. Funny how one word can change not just the meaning of one sentence, but everything I wrote. No one knows less about these things than me, I am slow, and it takes me time to realize reality. I’m blaming perception.
    If you discard time, then it will be easier to understand. Time does not exist without the physical universe. A point does not require time in order to be well defined.
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    There has to be a mass creation time at a single field point. M0=CT, where M0 is a point mass, C is the mass creation rate, and T is the mass creation time. Of course, mass can be created instantaneously, but that's just me (or god) throwing shit against the coordinate system to see what sticks ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    There has to be a mass creation time at a single field point. M0=CT, where M0 is a point mass, C is the mass creation rate, and T is the mass creation time. Of course, mass can be created instantaneously, but that's just me (or god) throwing shit against the coordinate system to see what sticks ....
    But time did not exist before the physical universe. So what sense would it make to talk about mass creation time. There was no time before the physical universe.
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