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    Quote Originally Posted by grapes View Post
    Ho boy! I was trying to help, but sometimes you gotta help yourself too. I would've loved to have seen what you're talking about in the OP, and maybe re-interpreted it, or explained it, or learned from it. But you weren't forthcoming.
    Absolutely right grapes, my mistake again. You are right to be mad at me. Others have helped me too. Proving I am a fool. There are more interested in putting people down rather than helping. That is what I meant by that stupid post. But not everyone is like that, that was also what I meant in that stupid post. I'm not talking about any posts in here, there was one somewhere else, which I deleted a couple of days ago. I wish time travel was possible.
    Last edited by Eleftherios Karagiannis; 06-09-2015 at 09:06 AM.
    Sometimes, the logical answer defies logic....Stupid accident.

    If my thoughts are math, how can I be wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    You miss interpreted my message. First, it's a PM, if you had a problem with it, you couldn't respond with this in a PM?
    There is no reason to discuss anything with you in PM. You're not a personal friend. I don't discuss in PM. You got something to say? Say it here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    You're the only one who has helped me. Have you never made a mistake?
    Your mistake is like trying to describe an elephant by touching the tail. You expecting people to help you with your idiotic descriptions instead of following basic instruction like feeling around the elephant more before trying to describe it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post

    Did you start knowing everything?
    No I didn't. But when I read things by people that make sense I followed their instructions. That's how I learned more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    I already know I'm a fool. If that makes you feel better, then teach me a lesson.

    And that foolishness I wrote above is how one learns.
    No it isn't. Following instructions and asking questions about what you think you learned by following the instructions is how you learn.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    Learning requires failing, not repeating what one has been told.
    You got a lot to learn before you disregard instructions. Otherwise everything you do will fail and you will never learn.
    Lies have the stench of death and defeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    There is no reason to discuss anything with you in PM. You're not a personal friend. I don't discuss in PM. You got something to say? Say it here.
    I apologize, I thought that meant personal message, I did not know we had to be friends. That was my first and only. I won't do it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    Your mistake is like trying to describe an elephant by touching the tail. You expecting people to help you with your idiotic descriptions instead of following basic instruction like feeling around the elephant more before trying to describe it.
    Your making the wrong assumption, I'm not expecting any one to help me. That would make them my slave. I hate slavery and would not think like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    No I didn't. But when I read things by people that make sense I followed their instructions. That's how I learned more.
    What if those instructions are wrong? Things have made sense to me before, but found out later, it was wrong. That has never happened to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    No it isn't. Following instructions and asking questions about what you think you learned by following the instructions is how you learn.
    There is more than one way to learning, I like trying, you like being told. To each there own. For example, one minus one, if I did not question, I might not know what I know now. I might be wrong, that is okay, it just proves I am human.

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    You got a lot to learn before you disregard instructions. Otherwise everything you do will fail and you will never learn.
    The funny thing about that is, my life proves that's wrong. Most everything I know is self taught, I can code without algebra, thinking and time usually helps. Of course algebra would be far better, but it gets the job done, and that is part of the definition of success, it really depends on ones goal. I know how to do more than code, I know lots of things, and I teach often. Just never science or math, a calculator has been good enough for me, so far.

    You can continue, based on what I did, I deserve it, as far as you go.
    Last edited by Eleftherios Karagiannis; 06-09-2015 at 09:24 PM.
    Sometimes, the logical answer defies logic....Stupid accident.

    If my thoughts are math, how can I be wrong?

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    My goal was not to make any one angry; especially those willing to help. My mistake was feeling comfortable when I had no right, and posting too quickly without thinking.

    What I love most about this website, it’s free and open to anyone, including those who may not be able to afford an education. I am not here just for me, but for everyone like me, they can learn what I have learned while here and from my mistakes. There are some who claim those here are lucky, others blessed, I don’t know about those things, but I try my best, and the reality is, that is just not good enough for some. And sometimes, they are right.
    Sometimes, the logical answer defies logic....Stupid accident.

    If my thoughts are math, how can I be wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    I try my best, and the reality is, that is just not good enough for some. And sometimes, they are right.
    Then learn the discipline to focus on what you've been instructed and not go flying off into your fantasies. That's what they are with how little you understand. You can blame it on lack of opportunity to get education but I can blame it on foolish lack of discipline and effort. You may be able to cook. Throwing things together for a stew or an omlet or a million other things. But science is like a machine. It fits together in one way or it doesn't work. That's how science developed. By seeing where it didn't work and figuring out why.

    The good thing about where you are is that, although you have a lot of basics to learn, the basics are easy.
    Last edited by astrotech; 06-09-2015 at 11:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    Then learn the discipline to focus on what you've been instructed and not go flying off into your fantasies. That's what they are with how little you understand. You can blame it on lack of opportunity to get education but I can blame it on foolish lack of discipline and effort. You may be able to cook. Throwing things together for a stew or an omlet or a million other things. But science is like a machine. It fits together in one way or it doesn't work. That's how science developed. By seeing where it didn't work and figuring out why.
    I am educated, a degree in advertising, never worked a day in it, but I was and am thinking of the others who are not as lucky as me. If you feel the need to correct anything I wrote, I won’t mind, but I might ask questions, and if no one answers, that’s okay, I will try to answer, I don’t mind being wrong, when it’s just thoughts. I hope everyone who reads what I wrote challenges it, and they don’t have to respond to me, or tell me anything.

    I know you are trying to help me, and have a right to be angry with me. I am not a scientist or mathematician and try to qualify and explain that, without repeating it too much. I never learned those disciplines, I just have my own way of learning, and it doesn’t prove I’m right.

    I learn best when I try and am wrong, but I sometimes get it right, with time. I’m not talking about anything here, but other things in my life.


    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    The good thing about where you are is that, although you have a lot of basics to learn, the basics are easy.
    Then I feel lucky, but for me, I doubt it will be easy, but I’m not afraid to try. The worst that can happen is that I don’t learn it, I don’t have to, I just want to. But I do it my own way, it is my free will and choice, just as you has yours.

    I’m not interested in fighting, honestly.

    I can change my posts, if you so desire, just PM me with the changes, and I just might.
    Sometimes, the logical answer defies logic....Stupid accident.

    If my thoughts are math, how can I be wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post

    I know you are trying to help me, and have a right to be angry with me.

    I’m not interested in fighting, honestly.
    I'm not angry. I'm not fighting. It is pointless for me to teach you using your method of learning. It's useless as a broken clock even though a broken clock is right twice a day.. But you can still be used to teach others as a good example of a bad example.

    If you want to play the fool you should be able to take it with good humor and laugh at yourself.
    Last edited by astrotech; 06-10-2015 at 07:24 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    I'm not angry. I'm not fighting. It is pointless for me to teach you using your method of learning. It's useless as a broken clock even though a broken clock is right twice a day.. But you can still be used to teach others as a good example of a bad example.
    That is exactly what I’m hoping for. When I teach, the first things I say is don’t believe me, I don’t know everything, challenge it, question it, and there may be a better answer than what I say. One question could lead to many more, and possibly a better answer. One can never know without trying. We just have different ideas of what teaching is, apparently. Is science not questions? You know better than me.

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotech View Post
    If you want to play the fool you should be able to take it with good humor and laugh at yourself.
    That is exactly what I do. If I didn’t, I would spend all my days crying. I like laughing better. For me, I find happiness in helping, there are many ways, and teaching what is wrong helps in teaching what is right. I think we finally agree, but I am guessing on that. If I can help just one other, than that is a good day, in my opinion.

    I already admitted I am a fool, and don’t have to play it, it is a fact. Repeating my confession is pointless. Just pointing out the obvious, and every time you claim it, I will admit it, like a clock.

    I’m glad you are not angry and not fighting. That makes me happy.
    Last edited by Eleftherios Karagiannis; 06-10-2015 at 01:24 PM.
    Sometimes, the logical answer defies logic....Stupid accident.

    If my thoughts are math, how can I be wrong?

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    A professor reads a book and repeats it. A business owner reads a book and lives it. An inventor or discoverer reads a book and out thinks it.
    Sometimes, the logical answer defies logic....Stupid accident.

    If my thoughts are math, how can I be wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleftherios Karagiannis View Post
    A professor reads a book and repeats it. A business owner reads a book and lives it. An inventor or discoverer reads a book and out thinks it.
    A fool reads a magazine article and thinks he knows everything.
    A fool thinks idiot platitudes are valid points.

    By the way a professor has to understand a subject well enough to write new papers to even get near to being a professor. Professors at the best schools write what are known a seminal papers. That means that their papers generate whole new areas of study. Lesser professors have done those new studies, as you say "out think the book" before they became professors.

    Your writings here have been idiot babble. Exemplary of utter ignorance of any subject they treat. As they seem to be imaginatively entertaining to you fine. But they are idiot babble otherwise. Try learning some real science and turn your imagination loose on that. There's still a lot of work and study yet to be done in this world and a lot of intelligent, educated imagination needed to do it.
    Last edited by astrotech; 06-11-2015 at 11:31 PM.
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