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    Default Re: Proton Tunneling within a compound

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Again, to state that the probability is an actual physical reality is the Many Worlds Interpretation, which states that two separate and nonidentical realities are created with the advent of a wave function and the collapse of the wave function destroys one reality.
    Please state your reference.


    This is totally different than what Wikipedia states:

    "The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts the objective realityof the universal wavefunction and denies the actuality of wavefunction collapse. "


    Can you please outline per your interpretation how Many Worlds and Copenhagen Interpretations address the double slit experiment?



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    Tom, I can reference the same links you gave and even the same quote:
    "The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts the objective reality of the universal wavefunction and denies the actuality of wavefunction collapse."
    In bold: Which is what I said here (also in bold):
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Again, to state that the probability is an actual physical reality is the Many Worlds Interpretation, which states that two separate and nonidentical realities are created with the advent of a wave function and the collapse of the wave function destroys one reality.
    Again, we have In Bold:
    "The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts the objective reality of the universal wavefunction and denies the actuality of wavefunction collapse.
    Which is what I said here (In bold...):
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Again, to state that the probability is an actual physical reality is the Many Worlds Interpretation, which states that two separate and nonidentical realities are created with the advent of a wave function and the collapse of the wave function destroys one reality.
    If my wording was poor, then to adjust:
    "One reality is destroyed rather than the wave function actually collapsing."
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    Default Re: Proton Tunneling within a compound

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post

    If my wording was poor, then to adjust:
    "One reality is destroyed rather than the wave function actually collapsing."
    Yes where are you getting this one reality is destroyed? In Many worlds no realities are destroyed.

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    Yes where are you getting this one reality is destroyed? In Many worlds no realities are destroyed.
    Hmmm, well, it is perfectly possible I am not understanding something correctly. In my defense... I am not really a fan of the MWI.
    I liken it to Einsteins Marble and Wood. The interpretation is just too... messy. It's stringy, if you catch the reference.

    As a holder of the Copenhagen Interpretation, it makes sense that I would find Many Worlds disagreeable.
    Well...
    That and the fact the Michio Kaku supports it.

    EDIT to add; I just went and checked. You are correct. Reality splits at the Wave Function and both nonidentical realities move forward with different outcomes, until the next wave function pops up and both of those realities objectively exist and move forward until the next wave-func...

    messymessymessy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Hmmm, well, it is perfectly possible I am not understanding something correctly. In my defense... I am not really a fan of the MWI.
    I liken it to Einsteins Marble and Wood. The interpretation is just too... messy. It's stringy, if you catch the reference.

    As a holder of the Copenhagen Interpretation, it makes sense that I would find Many Worlds disagreeable.
    Well...
    That and the fact the Michio Kaku supports it.

    EDIT to add; I just went and checked. You are correct. Reality splits at the Wave Function and both nonidentical realities move forward with different outcomes, until the next wave function pops up and both of those realities objectively exist and move forward until the next wave-func...

    messymessymessy...
    Yes so I dont believe that either (MWI ) .... My interpretation from all I have read is that superpositions exist, they just are ... they have no "classical" equivalent. each superposition has an amplitude and the sum of the amplitudes is 1. If you attempt to observe the superposition, then you will create a superposition with it, and observe it in one of its states with a probability equal to its amplitude. These superpositions can interact and interfere with each other. Entangled superpositions collapse as an observer joins the superposition can affect two entangled states across vast distances seemingly instantaneously, but in reality it is all because the superpositions were being observed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom View Post
    Yes so I dont believe that either (MWI ) .... My interpretation from all I have read is that superpositions exist, they just are ... they have no "classical" equivalent. each superposition has an amplitude and the sum of the amplitudes is 1. If you attempt to observe the superposition, then you will create a superposition with it, and observe it in one of its states with a probability equal to its amplitude. These superpositions can interact and interfere with each other. Entangled superpositions collapse as an observer joins the superposition can affect two entangled states across vast distances seemingly instantaneously, but in reality it is all because the superpositions were being observed.
    Well, as established, I hold a different interpretation but interpretation is not Theory. It is perfectly allowable to agree to disagree on 'which interpretation' if the conclusions are the same.
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