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    Why do you think light is involved?
    You said it yourself. The electron jumps to a higher energy level, if only there is a release of a photon from the atom. That electron jump has te same verb as the whole rock jump, so they are both changes of location, and should be considered together. How else are we to watch the rocks jump on the cone if we can't interpret the light reflecting off them?


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    The changing frequencies are received and translated into an electical signal that matches the frequencies.
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    The ear interprets pitches of sound, resonating at different wavelengths and loudness. The eyes interpret light at different brightness, wavelength, location. Operating frequencies of the brain, in what wavelengths do neurons travel?

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    They don't... but we can talk about the voltages of electricity that move between them...
    Are you suggesting the voltage changes in a wavelike pattern over time? Like pumping an extended slinky?



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    That signal is then relayed to a servo or motor that pumps a diaphragm. That diaphragm vibrating is what makes the sound.
    Is there rubbing like a cricket's legs, or disruption of the stagnant air next to the cone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickLaBuka View Post
    You said it yourself. The electron jumps to a higher energy level, if only there is a release of a photon from the atom. That electron jump has te same verb as the whole rock jump, so they are both changes of location, and should be considered together. How else are we to watch the rocks jump on the cone if we can't interpret the light reflecting off them?
    But the question is whether or not shining light on an object causes any kind of meaningful vibration. You added vibration from a speaker cone and then suggested that light interacting with matter was what was related to the vibration.
    As far as the electron - it's 'Change in location' is not at the same frequency nor magnitude of the bouncing of the rock in the speaker cone
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    Are you suggesting the voltage changes in a wavelike pattern over time? Like pumping an extended slinky?
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    in what wavelengths do neurons travel?
    Yes, it is modeled that way but that is not the same thing as saying that the neurons move. The neurons do not move in order to relay signals and any movement of the neurons relative to your surroundings is based on your body movements and is unrelated to the electrical processes of thought (Other than thinking, "I am going to move over here.")
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    Is there rubbing like a cricket's legs, or disruption of the stagnant air next to the cone?
    Disruption of air. The speaker cone pumps or pushes air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    But the question is whether or not shining light on an object causes any kind of meaningful vibration.
    What else do we see as rocks reflect the flashlight, other than photons hitting the atom and ricocheting off the nucleus. Whether the electron bounces from a flashlight was my assumption, but I didn't consider the photons originated outside the atom and were reflected.
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    You added vibration from a speaker cone and then suggested that light interacting with matter was what was related to the vibration.
    Let's say the rocks are glowing rather than a light shined on them. Yes, our eye sees the change in location from the slow moving speaker, while our eye also sees the electrons jumping and falling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    As far as the electron - it's 'Change in location' is not at the same frequency nor magnitude of the bouncing of the rock in the speaker cone
    *I know we don't have electron microscope vision, but just because these movements happen at different rates and displacements doesn't change the fact that they are both displacements and speeds in the same coordinate space.*

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Yes, it is modeled that way but that is not the same thing as saying that the neurons move. The neurons do not move in order to relay signals and any movement of the neurons relative to your surroundings is based on your body movements and is unrelated to the electrical processes of thought (Other than thinking, "I am going to move over here.")
    I misspoke. I meant the signal moved, not the neuron. But speed of thought is probably affected when walking across the room at light speed, which is the overall goal if we ever want to travel outside near earth orbit.


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    Disruption of air. The speaker cone pumps or pushes air.
    So the atoms in the air bounce off each other the whole way to my ear, and then bounce into my cochlea in waves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickLaBuka View Post
    I didn't consider the photons originated outside the atom and were reflected.
    Or absorbed and re-emitted.
    The photons don't reflect off of the nucleus, they encounter the electron cloud, first.

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    Let's say the rocks are glowing rather than a light shined on them. Yes, our eye sees the change in location from the slow moving speaker, while our eye also sees the electrons jumping and falling.
    Let's remove the pebbles and replace them with something like an automated tennis ball launcher.
    As the Ball launcher bounces on a trampoline, you also program it to launch tennis balls at seeming random times.
    As the pebble (tennis ball launcher) bounces, it is also emitting photons (Ejaculating tennis balls) at intervals. Visualizing it that way, with bouncing and ejaculation, maybe you will see a little better that the electrons (Tennis balls) are not "jumping up and down." Rather, they are emitted in straight line trajectories from the emitter (Pebble or Ball launcher) at points within the emitters motion.

    Quote Originally Posted by KickLaBuka View Post
    But speed of thought is probably affected when walking across the room at light speed, which is the overall goal if we ever want to travel outside near earth orbit.
    Relative to you, light still moves at "c" as shown in Theory of Relativity.
    So the speed of the signal would be "c" (because it is an electrical impulse) minus the resistance of the matter within your brain cells. Relative to you, "c" is still "c" and there would be no effect of the speed of signal.
    And this gets interesting because relative to a distant galaxy you are moving at the nth degree of "c" and to a more distant galaxies perspective, you are moving faster than "c."
    This is because the expansion of space time is cumulative and the speed limit of "c" is a property of spacetime itself; meaning that spacetime itself is not limited by "c."
    Anything within spacetime is limited to "c" or under but Spacetime can move at any speed at all.
    In this case, we can say we are already moving at near "c", at "c" or faster than "c" from one relative point of vie and yet, from our relative perspective, we still see signals and gravity and EM radiation propagate at "c."

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    So the atoms in the air bounce off each other the whole way to my ear, and then bounce into my cochlea in waves?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickLaBuka View Post
    So the atoms in the air bounce off each other the whole way to my ear, and then bounce into my cochlea in waves?
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    Yes.
    So sound is based on trajectories of atoms and light is based on absorption, emitting, and/or reflection of the same atoms. So light and sound are both related.
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    Could sound and light waves cancel each other out given the right conditions.
    A high enough frequency of sound waves in just the right signature should be able to obscure light itself--bouncing the nucleus at te same speed the atom is trying to emit a photon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickLaBuka View Post
    So sound is based on trajectories of atoms and light is based on absorption, emitting, and/or reflection of the same atoms. So light and sound are both related.
    I'm not seeing how they are related in the manner you are suggesting.

    Sound is more Macroscopic and Light is more Q.M.
    Quote Originally Posted by KickLaBuka View Post
    A high enough frequency of sound waves in just the right signature should be able to obscure light itself.
    A strong enough sound could create a mirage effect. But That's not as far as to say it obscures it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    A strong enough sound could create a mirage effect. But That's not as far as to say it obscures it.
    There would have to be a sphere of speakers with the object inside. That way, each speaker could fire in time to land at the moment the photon would be reflected or released--bouncing the nucleus away while the photon remains stationary. Some speaker each time, slow as sound and far ahead of every atoms responses at quantum speeds. I guess I don't see sound as a cloaking measure, if only cause the invisible object would be surrounded by visible apparatus.
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