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    Default The dumbest star trek moment I ever watched.

    Deep Space Nine. All in all, for a non-trekkie, it wasn't a bad series.

    But whenever you get star trek writers together, stupidity is bound to happen. Although frequent on Star Trek Voyager, Deep Space Nine seemed to have more luck. Usually.

    But this doozy had me cussing. And making me cuss over a T.V. show is pretty extreme all on it's own.

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    Season two, episode seventeen.

    Jadzia Dax and some trill dude snag what seems to be a piece of subspace on the bussard collector of the runabout that they are running about in.

    Jadzia decides to transport it to the lab and study it. What she discovered was that it was a "Proto-Universe" that was forming and expanding.
    How did they Transport (Beam me up, Scotty) a "proto-universe?" That they move this thing around with the transporter is hilarious enough; we'll ignore that for now.

    What's really delicious is that she makes the determination that this 'proto-Universe' will expand until it replaces our own Universe.
    Well, that's depressing news.
    So, they develop a means to destroy the inconsiderate thing- But not before Dax observes tell tale signs of massive energy consumption and non random energy usage- strongly implying that a very technical intelligent civilization has developed inside of the 'proto-universe'.
    Sisko puts the plans to destroy the Universe on hold while trying to figure out their next move- Does he destroy another civilization in order to spare his own civilization? Here, the writers created, wrote in, devised, THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES, a weird Moral Dilemma for Sisko to face.

    What's the end solution? I guess Sisko didn't want to deal with this thing so he tells Dax to "return it where they found it."
    What? Like, throw it back and forget you ever saw it? Not my problem? NIMBY? Isn't the thing STILL going to Expand until it replaces our Universe? Isn't this thing STILL going to kill us all? It's never discussed or covered. Dax, "Safely returns it from whence it came" and Magically, the whole problem is forgotten. Later on, when this thing should have expanded and destroyed us all, the characters are still runing around deep space nining. "What 'proto-Universe?' Never heard of it."

    I mean, if returning the thing was the simple solution, why the hell didn't they just do that the first time? The implication was that that would not solve the expansion problem.
    Until the writers got the end of the script and said, "Aww screw it."
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    I recall the day our first color TV was delivered to our home. It was in the summer of 1968, and we were boating and water skiing on our favorite lake when my Dad broke the news. We couldn't wait to get home and see if Spock's skin had a green tint. No such luck, but it made finishing out the original Star Trek series much more enjoyable.

    These days I have little interest in the original series. Because I enjoyed TNG so much yet because of school and work missed many of the episodes, I bought the full 7-season DVD set. When Voyager came online I tried to see most episodes, but as my ex hated it, that would be her "girls out night" and she'd meet with friends while I enjoyed about 2/3 of the episodes. By now I've seen about 3/4 of the episodes, but am not enough of a fan to buy the DVD set.

    DS9? No way. I've seen many of its episodes, and none seemed to have any of the same flavor as Star Trek should. I find it incredulous that it, too, spent seven years in production.

    Star Trek: Enterprise returned the flavor of the original, and I love the fact that its setting was incorporated into the most recent Star Trek film which launched future movies onto the path of exploring an alternate universe beginning with James T. Kirk taking command of the Enterprise.

    Yes, I'm a trekkie, although I'm not fanatic about it.
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    My youngest daughter now a adult and 26., and I as a weekly ritual rented all of TNG ( next generation ) and all of Voyager

    but our interest died at the deep space nine base.. She and I had a fondness for this science fiction bent.. and found that some of the scripts were weak.

    I remember a string of episodes were a portal opened.. very near.. like some sort of transport to some place else.. and it always bothered me.. as rubbish.

    and then in the TNG they had the Q. who out of spite threw us at the Borg... and effectively changed the path of history.. that bothered me.

    Over the years, yes they made some stupid errors that given time and knowledge we now wince at., but I still hold it as great stuff.

    Resistance is futile.. and it was.

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    There are MANY moments in Trek cannon that make me cringe... but yeah, that seems like one of the worst. You sure they didn't endup figuring a way to stop the expansion? I'm pretty sure I recall that episode and they were able to put it back because they were able to stop the expansion. Oh well...

    I have to say that Voyager had the worst science out of all of them though... it was on such a constant basis as well... just awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZunarJ5 View Post
    There are MANY moments in Trek cannon that make me cringe... but yeah, that seems like one of the worst. You sure they didn't endup figuring a way to stop the expansion? I'm pretty sure I recall that episode and they were able to put it back because they were able to stop the expansion. Oh well...

    I have to say that Voyager had the worst science out of all of them though... it was on such a constant basis as well... just awful.
    True- Voyager wins as worst series. Especially with how they managed to blow up a shuttle in almost every episode and always managed to have a full compliment of shuttles handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    True- Voyager wins as worst series. Especially with how they managed to blow up a shuttle in almost every episode and always managed to have a full compliment of shuttles handy.
    I always find that ironic, as TOS only invented transporters because they couldn't afford the special effects, at first, for sending a shuttle to the Planet of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bananas View Post
    I always find that ironic, as TOS only invented transporters because they couldn't afford the special effects, at first, for sending a shuttle to the Planet of the week.
    Much to the lament of today's storytellers. Stupid transporters cause so many plot holes. Mainly because they are linked to other technologies they supposedly possess.
    Secondly because a few past storytellers used the ridiculous thing as a plot device. Such as Scottie staying in the buffer 76 years. Was it 76? Whatever. The duplicate of Ryker.

    Ok, so following that Very Simple Premise...

    All red shirts ... well ok, all personal should take shifts each morning scanning his pattern into the buffer. Just the pattern. Then they go on about their business until the next day when they do it again. Every day, everyone gets that scan. Good so far?
    Ok so Kirk says, "Bones, Spock with me. We're going to the surface. Chekov, you have the Conn. ohh... Ensign Redshirt you come along too."
    They go on down, Ensign Redshirt gets eaten by a Gorn or a glob of goo or maybe ends up with a pancake on his back like Spock did in that episode where he went blind... No Big Deal.
    Just re-materialize the stored pattern in the buffer and Hey Presto! Ensign Redshirt returns to duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Much to the lament of today's storytellers. Stupid transporters cause so many plot holes. Mainly because they are linked to other technologies they supposedly possess.
    Secondly because a few past storytellers used the ridiculous thing as a plot device. Such as Scottie staying in the buffer 76 years. Was it 76? Whatever. The duplicate of Ryker.

    Ok, so following that Very Simple Premise...

    All red shirts ... well ok, all personal should take shifts each morning scanning his pattern into the buffer. Just the pattern. Then they go on about their business until the next day when they do it again. Every day, everyone gets that scan. Good so far?
    Ok so Kirk says, "Bones, Spock with me. We're going to the surface. Chekov, you have the Conn. ohh... Ensign Redshirt you come along too."
    They go on down, Ensign Redshirt gets eaten by a Gorn or a glob of goo or maybe ends up with a pancake on his back like Spock did in that episode where he went blind... No Big Deal.
    Just re-materialize the stored pattern in the buffer and Hey Presto! Ensign Redshirt returns to duty.
    Oh yeah. That's the problem with transporters. TOS would have been much better Science Fiction without them.

    I like how they'd make medicine redundant.

    Got a bullet in you? Just get transported and have the bullet filtered out and the hole put the way it should be.

    Got a cold or flu? Just get transported and have the bacteria or virus filtered out.

    Want plastic surgery? Blue eyes? Just get transported and have the adjustments made...
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    Were transporters endowed with DNA patterns, all manner of ills would be mute. A third of Star Trek's plots revolve around the inability of the transporter system to be the end-all, be-all, of this system

    So, I guess, a lot more Star Trek novels wait to be written!
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    To respond to the original question, there was one moment that ruined TNG movies for me. I love TNG series but in the movie INSURRECTION, near the end, Riker requests manual control of the Enterprise. I thought "this is going to be so cool"....then a single, simple, nothing special flimsy little joystick pops up. I was done. All the years and advancements of Star Trek and that's what they came up with for manual control of the greatest ship in tv history....ugh.

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