# Thread: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

1. ## Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

Big bang and 4d whole is wrong. Tell me whats logically right.? Universe is growing so they say, which is wrong again. Y. Answer this question logically, and you will get answer.

2. ## Re: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

My theory: universe was never created. It always existed. We are stuck on the theory of beginning middle (now) and end. I like the recycling theory, the loop. Something exists made into something else eventually gets old then is made into something else. Apply this theory to the universe and what do we get?? We get a bang but not the big bang. 4d black whole making a 3d universe also improbable in my mind. So what happenend.? To be continued.

3. ## Re: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

Originally Posted by Jason me
Big bang and 4d whole is wrong. Tell me whats logically right.? Universe is growing so they say, which is wrong again. Y. Answer this question logically, and you will get answer.
I don´t know why you would say that unless you just don´t understand why they must be true.

Four dimensions are used in Relativity because Relativity is about events. In every event you have to specify where it occurs, requiring 3 dimensions, and when it occurs, requiring another dimension. This adds up to 4.

The Big Bang idea comes from a number of observations in the universe. The first is Edwin Hubble´s observation that on average all galaxies are rushing away from us, indicating an expansion of the universe. Also there is the discovery by Penzias and Wilson of the cosmic background radiation which indicates that the universe can not be infinite. This background radiation was predicted by Dicke and Lemaitre from Big Bang Theory. There is other evidence, but those are the main two.

Instead of just claiming that the Big Bang Theory and Relativity are wrong and demanding that others prove them right, you should study some basic physics and then ask about the things you don´t understand. If you have another idea, then by all means present it, but be aware that any new idea must stand the test of ¨reality¨ and data, upon which all science is founded.

4. ## Re: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

Originally Posted by Jason me
My theory: universe was never created. It always existed.
This can be very easily disproven. We know that main sequence stars burn Hydrogen to Helium. Red Giants burn other elements to Carbon or Iron. If the universe has always existed then all Hydrogen would have ended up as Carbon or Iron. Hydrogen still exists, so the universe can not have always existed. There has to be a definite start time for the universe. In fact the ratio of approximently 4:1 for Hydrogen to Helium corresponds to a universe that is about 13½ billion years old, given the number of main sequence stars that exist in the universe.

Originally Posted by Jason me
We are stuck on the theory of beginning middle (now) and end. I like the recycling theory, the loop. Something exists made into something else eventually gets old then is made into something else. Apply this theory to the universe and what do we get?? We get a bang but not the big bang. 4d black whole making a 3d universe also improbable in my mind. So what happenend.? To be continued.
I have never heard of ¨Recycling Theory¨. So we can not apply it to the universe until you clearly and mathematically explain the theory. Be aware that any new theory must account for observed facts:

1. The night sky is dark (Olbert´s Paradox). = This is explained by a bounded (finite) universe, since such a universe does not have enough space for an infinite number of stars to light up the night sky.

2. The ratio of Hydrogen to Helium is about 4:1. = This is explained by the fact that the universe had a definite start time. Otherwise there would be no Hydrogen left. It is also consistent with the proton-proton cycle in main sequence stars.

3. Redshift in galactic spectra. = Galaxies on average show a redshift in their spectra that depends on the distance from Earth. The redshift is only consistent with Doppler shift (redshift due to motion away from receiver). Thus clearly the universe is expanding.

4. Cosmic background radiation shows a blackbody distribution. = The blackbody radiation distribution results from energy confined in a bounded container. Thus our universe has a definite edge beyond which it does not extend. Thus the universe is not inifite.

There are other observations that any new theory must account for, but unless it accounts for these four essential facts, it is a non-starter.

5. ## Re: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

Lol nice points. Science is not a constant. It grows, but the universe is infinate. Disproving #1 blackholes suck up everthing even light. 1 done.

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#2 I honestly only half understand this hydrogen to helium fraction that proves to u the universe was created, or started. Hence there was a bang but this never made the universe. Again the universe is infinate, can u record infanate. Without breaking the barriers of science nothing would gave been discovered.

7. ## Re: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

3 our part of the universe is expanding u mean. We know of 100 million or billion galaxies right. Is there a wall beyond that, my college professor tried to tell me that. A while later the same science disproved him. So lets say u travel past out cluster of galaxy's what would u reach if it doesnt end. Another cluster of galaxies.

8. ## Re: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

4 sounds worse than 3. Lol. No wall exists. On the outer edge of your universe what would happen if u took a ship past it.?? Again your trying to prove something that u have heard before in the past. Our science is only as good as the year it was made. Or you would be telling me some other bad redirect like the earth is flat or square or that space has a wall. Smh

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My theory continued.
Every center of a galxay has a black whole, true? What we know about our part of the universe its vast and growing but theres an end to it. If you can see an end why would it be infinate u ask.

10. ## Re: Big bang and 4d blackhole is not true tell me why.

Kg4 some good points. Although i knew most of them. Our part of the universe is growing very true. But the big bang of our part of the universe caused a hmm lets call it a blast glow bubble. This means we cant see past the bubble of our creation bubble in our part of the universe. Google it.

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