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    The basic premise proceeds from the assumption that the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is greater than zero (we know this because our world exists). If space is infinite, then cosmology tells us that our existence will recur an infinite number of times.

    We also know for a fact that we are made of atoms and particles. Giving infinite time and space, there will eventually be same atoms and particles IN SAME ORDER, therefore our existence is cyclical and not linear.

    Speaking of logic, the only reasonable answer would be that we indeed are living in an eternal and infinite space, where big bangs are occurring infinitely without need for cause.

    This would also explain the 'free will' problem. Space doesn't care what you think. Its a random generation of algorithms that will make all possible outcomes reality. For an example; I'm president of US in a parallel universe. And in another universe I'm living in a world where star wars really happened. So according to the eternal return theory, we do not have free will.

    According to this theory, I will live the same life again and again for eternity. Is this proof that we indeed may be living in hell? A hell we can't escape... ever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by therammo View Post
    The basic premise proceeds from the assumption that the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is greater than zero (we know this because our world exists). If space is infinite, then cosmology tells us that our existence will recur an infinite number of times.
    Of course not.

    Just look at numbers. Start with zero, add one. You can add one forever, you'll never get back to zero. Cosmology doesn't restrict that.
    We also know for a fact that we are made of atoms and particles. Giving infinite time and space, there will eventually be same atoms and particles IN SAME ORDER, therefore our existence is cyclical and not linear.

    Speaking of logic, the only reasonable answer would be that we indeed are living in an eternal and infinite space, where big bangs are occurring infinitely without need for cause.

    This would also explain the 'free will' problem. Space doesn't care what you think. Its a random generation of algorithms that will make all possible outcomes reality. For an example; I'm president of US in a parallel universe. And in another universe I'm living in a world where star wars really happened. So according to the eternal return theory, we do not have free will.

    According to this theory, I will live the same life again and again for eternity. Is this proof that we indeed may be living in hell? A hell we can't escape... ever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by therammo View Post
    The basic premise proceeds from the assumption that the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is greater than zero (we know this because our world exists). If space is infinite, then cosmology tells us that our existence will recur an infinite number of times.

    We also know for a fact that we are made of atoms and particles. Giving infinite time and space, there will eventually be same atoms and particles IN SAME ORDER, therefore our existence is cyclical and not linear.

    Speaking of logic, the only reasonable answer would be that we indeed are living in an eternal and infinite space, where big bangs are occurring infinitely without need for cause.

    This would also explain the 'free will' problem. Space doesn't care what you think. Its a random generation of algorithms that will make all possible outcomes reality. For an example; I'm president of US in a parallel universe. And in another universe I'm living in a world where star wars really happened. So according to the eternal return theory, we do not have free will.

    According to this theory, I will live the same life again and again for eternity. Is this proof that we indeed may be living in hell? A hell we can't escape... ever...
    I've seen some lousy first posts on a forum before... Namely my own. But as first posts on a science forum go, this one is awesome. It's deep, covers interesting metaphysics and inspires response.
    Welcome to the board.

    On topic, this is more a philosophy question than a science question. Would an infinite Universe imply infinite possibilities? If we assume so, and if that means in some other time and place a "me" just like me live infinite lives, I would not personally consider that immortality unless I got to keep all the experiences and memories of all those lives.
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    I'm going to live forever. So far, so good.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by grapes View Post
    Of course not.

    Just look at numbers. Start with zero, add one. You can add one forever, you'll never get back to zero. Cosmology doesn't restrict that.
    Infinite space and time will contain both infinities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    I'm going to live forever. So far, so good.....
    Probably yes if infinity exists, however its a sad thing for people having a bad life in this world. They will keep having the same life over and over again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I've seen some lousy first posts on a forum before... Namely my own. But as first posts on a science forum go, this one is awesome. It's deep, covers interesting metaphysics and inspires response.
    Welcome to the board.

    On topic, this is more a philosophy question than a science question. Would an infinite Universe imply infinite possibilities? If we assume so, and if that means in some other time and place a "me" just like me live infinite lives, I would not personally consider that immortality unless I got to keep all the experiences and memories of all those lives.
    Even if an infinite universe doesn't contain infinite possibilities, it will still give our life a loop because we already exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuleriaChk View Post
    I'm going to live forever. So far, so good.....
    I hope not, you're better dead than alive considering what you do to spread misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therammo View Post
    Even if an infinite universe doesn't contain infinite possibilities, it will still give our life a loop because we already exist.
    If we cannot have any knowledge of a continued existence or carry that information over... what difference would it make?
    As you mentioned the Free Will debate: If the Universe is truly deterministic and there is no "random" and no "free will," but we have the illusion of free will as we lack (and will probably always lack) any means of determining fate, what difference does it make?
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    Quote Originally Posted by therammo View Post
    Infinite space and time will contain both infinities.
    Only two?

    What are the two? And why does having two make a difference?

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