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    Did u put words in my mouth here with extraterrestrials.

    Yes you did. Honestly grow up and stop arguing with me just to argue.

    Your a moderator, act like one.
    You quoted yourself, not me. Where is the comment about extraterrestrials?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason me View Post
    I would try to explain this with shows i have seen. Although i doubt u all would take me seriously if i quoted a ufo show series. If u are intersested just ask.

    I think there are ppl working both; fast travel in space and faster than light travel in space.
    I quoted the relevant quote for you:
    Do Tell, who are these 'people' working faster than light travel in space?
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    Lets start somewhere. I think relativity and time dilation is a good start. So you believe these are all correct.

    You wont admit that it might be possible to travel faster than the speed of light.
    If that was possible then it might be possible to travel back in time. Following the theories of relativity and time dilation.
    You said this would break the universe.
    I believe the universe is a tad bit more durable than you could imagine.

    So to speculate on the how this could be possible.

    A wormhole or possibly even a blackhole if they work similar could possibly achieve this.

    If u instantly traveled deep into space using a wormhole, and then back again. A time warp could be possible.
    Travelling faster than the speed of light and turning the clocks back.

    The only evidence i can give u on this are sci-fi articles so dont ask unless you want one.
    A worm hole, warp drive or black hole.

    It does not necessarily follow that you would travel "faster than light" (my bold above). Rather than allowing you to travel faster than light the ideas actually theorise possible "short cuts" in space. You would never be able to physically "travel" faster than light, but appear to do so by taking a shorter route i.e "worm hole". A warp drive system would work in a similar fashion, by contracting space in front of the vehicle and stretching space behind it thus creating mini worm holes in sequence.

    There is no reason to believe that any of these theories would ultimately result in time travel for the traveller? There maybe concern for causality, as in theory information could be sent faster than light? How this would pan out though I'm not sure?
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    So hypothetical if a worm hole travelled faster than light. What would happen?

    I know, I say per say and you guys say it cant happen.

    The funny part of that is people have said to me you can't do that. Guess what I did it. So if u didnt try me and you dont know if its possible correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason me View Post
    So hypothetical if a worm hole travelled faster than light. What would happen?

    I know, I say per say and you guys say it cant happen.

    The funny part of that is people have said to me you can't do that. Guess what I did it. So if u didnt try me and you dont know if its possible correct?
    Your sentence does not make sense (my bold)

    Do you mean - So hypothetically if a worm hole allowed you to travel faster than light, what would happen?

    The problem is as I explained previously, the laws of nature, as far as we know, do not allow anything to travel faster than light. A worm hole creates a short cut in space that would in theory allow something to get from one point to another possibly quicker than light traveling the "normal" shortest route between those same points.

    The traveler never exceeds light speed, just simply travels a shorter distance. The problem with this theory is that in principal it would be then possible to send information this way so it arrives before it normally would.

    This may create problems with causality which is a another philosophical and scientific subject in its own right.

    I don't believe time travel is possible, so I doubt you have done such a thing. If you had then it would be the most sensational phenomenon since the resurrection of Christ. Which by the way I don't believed happened either.
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    The funny part of that is people have said to me you can't do that. Guess what I did it. So if u didnt try me and you dont know if its possible correct?
    You "Wormhole traveled faster than light?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason me View Post
    So hypothetical if a worm hole travelled faster than light. What would happen?

    I know, I say per say and you guys say it cant happen.

    The funny part of that is people have said to me you can't do that. Guess what I did it. So if u didnt try me and you dont know if its possible correct?
    As I think this one over, it occurs to me that Jason_Me may have intended to say that people have told him he couldn't do something as a general statement, NOT that people told him that he could not travel faster than light.
    The problem here is one of language and just how general a generality is. For example:
    -You cannot put Peanut Butter on a cheese sandwich.
    -You cannot believe everything you read on the internet.
    -You cannot kill a person in cold blood.
    -You cannot go to the Moon.
    -You cannot enter a black hole.
    -You cannot enter a Black Hole and Survive.
    -You cannot travel faster than light relative to a position of local space.

    As you can see, the list progresses up the line of severity. From a very minor "Cannot do that" to a Physical Law of the Universe "cannot do that."
    Someone can tell you that you can't put peanut butter on swiss cheese, but you easily can do that. Tastes vary.
    Someone can tell you that you can't go to the Moon and that is technically as true as it is technically as false. After all, Buzz Aldrin may have been told that, but was one of a very very few select people that managed to do that. For most people, this statement would be true. But is not true for Humanity.
    Someone can tell you that you cannot travel faster than light reltiave to a position of local space. And this statement would be true not just for that person, but all 7 billion people on Earth, all matter in the Universe, even true for Photons themselves. There is nothing whatsoever any person can do to change that. Even hypothesis of "Warp" travel deal not with moving faster than light, but of bending spacetime while the Spacecraft moves at Sub-light speeds relative to local space.

    So, while you can slather Peanut butter on a cheese sandwich with ease and MAYBE go to the Moon if you are a Top Astronaut, funding is available to space program and politics support the venture, you cannot survive a trip into a Black Hole and you can NEVER go faster than light.
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    Science is this. Belive in somthing anything. Then prove it. If you have spelling or grammatical mistakes throughout your work continue. If everyone slams u or doesn't understand continue. If Einstein didnt continue Neverfly would say even more garbage. Fyi im at least 15 beers in. Did we loose the point here. Nope. Again hypothetically if a wormhole travels faster than the speed of light because it creates a shortcut between two piont in space. Wouldn't that make faster than light space travel exist. Also if this was possible wouldnt that make time travel possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    As I think this one over, it occurs to me that Jason_Me may have intended to say that people have told him he couldn't do something as a general statement, NOT that people told him that he could not travel faster than light.
    The problem here is one of language and just how general a generality is. For example:
    -You cannot put Peanut Butter on a cheese sandwich.
    -You cannot believe everything you read on the internet.
    -You cannot kill a person in cold blood.
    -You cannot go to the Moon.
    -You cannot enter a black hole.
    -You cannot enter a Black Hole and Survive.
    -You cannot travel faster than light relative to a position of local space.

    As you can see, the list progresses up the line of severity. From a very minor "Cannot do that" to a Physical Law of the Universe "cannot do that."
    Someone can tell you that you can't put peanut butter on swiss cheese, but you easily can do that. Tastes vary.
    Someone can tell you that you can't go to the Moon and that is technically as true as it is technically as false. After all, Buzz Aldrin may have been told that, but was one of a very very few select people that managed to do that. For most people, this statement would be true. But is not true for Humanity.
    Someone can tell you that you cannot travel faster than light reltiave to a position of local space. And this statement would be true not just for that person, but all 7 billion people on Earth, all matter in the Universe, even true for Photons themselves. There is nothing whatsoever any person can do to change that. Even hypothesis of "Warp" travel deal not with moving faster than light, but of bending spacetime while the Spacecraft moves at Sub-light speeds relative to local space.

    So, while you can slather Peanut butter on a cheese sandwich with ease and MAYBE go to the Moon if you are a Top Astronaut, funding is available to space program and politics support the venture, you cannot survive a trip into a Black Hole and you can NEVER go faster than light.
    Can u prove this? Have u entered a backwhole or a wormhole. When u drive your car and u go really fast. You rem how thst feels right. So the next time your in a wormhole or blackwhole, let me know how it feels. So if you dont know how that feels. If you did not see Jesus on the cross, Moses split the red sea ect. Do not tell me it can not happen. Y u ask. Because we do not know. Only guess. You guess then try to prove, with science. That is science, in my opinion. Dark matter or energy is an example of a guess that was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason me View Post
    Science is this. Belive in somthing anything. Then prove it.
    I understand you say you have been having some brews and your meaning may have been lost, here.
    But I will address it, anyway.
    That is not what science is.
    Science is a method that seeks to model reality in ways we can understand it. Sc3eince is not about "Proving Belief." Science is most certainly not about Believing in something. believing in anything- and then "Proving" it.
    Simply put, there are a great many things a person might believe but are utterly unrealistic or fail the tests of the scientific method.
    In order to fully enjoy the products of Science, a person needs to be willing to Let go of belief, willing to discard ideas that fail.
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    If Einstein didnt continue Neverfly would say even more garbage.
    You simply seem unwilling to grasp the basics of the scientific method and when I point it out to you, you get angry. You take offense to it. And you insult me as a person each time.
    Look, no one knows everything. But plenty of people know more about certain topics than other people. You are just going to have to learn how to live with that, let go of your ego and if you really dislike being corrected on flawed ideas, then try Learning About Science instead of making it up as you go along and then getting angry at everyone else.
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    Again hypothetically if a wormhole travels faster than the speed of light because it creates a shortcut between two piont in space. Wouldn't that make faster than light space travel exist. Also if this was possible wouldnt that make time travel possible.
    No.

    Because,hypothetically, such a wormhole would shorten the distance between two points allowing Sub-Light speeds to traverse a distance that would have taken a much greater amount of time without that "Shortcut." Your own description of calling it a shortcut answers your own question. If you take a shortcut home that cuts 30 mins off your driving time, that doesn't mean your speed doubled. You didn't drive at one hundred miles per hour, did you?

    It also would not create a Time Paradox. If you took a shortcut home in your car, you would not have time traveled just because you took a route that got you home at an earlier time than a longer route would have provided.
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